IF TX Def. Player (Johnson) is Heisman Worthy, then WHY???

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  1. TxStar61

    TxStar61 New Member

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    Did Adrian Peterson have his Best Record-Breaking day against Texas???
    I realize that the article below is a commentary BUT I'm a tad confused!!!
    I also realize that I don't follow Texas but looks like Johnson would have stood out against Oklahoma and would have been talked about more... :confused:

    Honestly, I wanna know what ya think????


    A Heisman split? Call it the Heismen
    Johnson might be Horns MVP, but Heisman doesn't favor defense.

    Cedric Benson: Running back has been on Heisman list all season. Derrick Johnson: Defensive star might be Longhorns' MVP.

    Thursday, November 11, 2004

    Cedric Benson was simply asked if teammate Derrick Johnson belongs in this year's mix of Heisman Trophy candidates.

    Benson, remember, is on record as saying he'd rather win the Heisman than have Eva Longoria's kids, win the lottery and be adopted by Donald Trump, or something to that effect.

    If the question weren't a conflict of interest, it was certainly a conflict of travel plans. The Downtown Athletic Club has in the past invited as many as six finalists for the trophy ceremony, but sometimes as few as three.

    So what do you think, Ced-dog? Is Johnson Heisman-worthy?

    "Yeah, why not?" the senior running back mused this week. "He's a great player. Are y'all going to throw him in the shuffle?"

    Someone should. Johnson certainly qualifies. The Longhorns' senior linebacker is definitely the best linebacker in college football, and arguably its best defensive player. His coach, Mack Brown, said this week that Johnson is "the best defensive player I've ever been around."

    Pretty straightforward there.

    When Texas defensive coordinator Greg Robinson was asked if he had coached a faster linebacker in college, he said, "No. Or in the pros. Guys like Ian Gold, John Mobley, Marvin Jones, they could really run. Derrick can hang with any of those guys."

    You also have to factor in that Johnson has made every tackle this season, give or take three or four. He's forced eight fumbles. He strips better than most people do with a pole.

    He's actually got more highlight plays than Benson, one of the main reasons Cedric won't win on Dec. 11. Did you see Johnson try to run down Oklahoma State's Vernand Morency last Saturday when the Cowboy had a 10-yard head start?

    But defensive players win the Heisman about as often as Mike Tyson reads a book. In the previous 69 years of the award, exactly one defensive player has left New York City with the big chunk of metal.

    And that was Charles Woodson, Michigan's two-way defensive back-wide receiver. One of my best friends is still ticked at me for voting him over Tennessee's Peyton Manning.

    Of course, I gave my Heisman vote to Oklahoma wrecking ball Roy Williams in 2001, and he didn't make the top four.

    The Rocky Mountain News has tracked the race in the Scripps-Howard weekly poll of 10 Heisman voters since 1986 and has correctly predicted the winner every year but two. In those two misses, the poll winner finished second in the actual Heisman race by a single point. That bodes well for current poll leader Jason White.

    In this year's Scripps-Howard balloting, the voters have cast mythical ballots for more than 20 players. Not one of them plays defense.

    Johnson doesn't stand a chance in the real campaign unless very few voters mail or e-mail their vote. Only 87 percent turned in their votes last year.

    Maybe Johnson will benefit from a low turnout or from a failure to locate voters. For instance, DAC doesn't have the ZIP code for Ricky Williams' tent in Australia, so he may not get his ballot. Even if he did, he might use the paper to roll something up.

    So we have an easy solution to fix this disparity.

    Split the Heisman.

    Take a power-saw and slice it right down the middle (we'll hope it's not anatomically correct). That'd be perfect. One Heisman for the offense, one for the defense. (Pssst. Don't tell Richmond McGee.) Call them the Heismen.

    I'm not waiting for the DAC to hail my Solomonic wisdom and rush to unveil this new plan. In 1977, the club presented the Heisman to our own Earl Campbell but also doled out six other DAC awards to soothe feelings. That was scrapped the following year.

    "This is the greatest award an individual can achieve in sports," said Tim Henning, the Heisman associate director. "I know the Heisman trustees feel similarly. I don't think they'd move to change that."

    I don't either. And we're only half-serious. What is true is that Texas has the nation's best tandem of one offensive and one defensive player, bar none. Put it on those terms, and no one can top Benson and Johnson, your Heismen favorites.

    Behind them, I'd rank Georgia's David Greene and David Pollack, Southern Cal's Matt Leinart and Shaun Cody, Oklahoma's White and Dan Cody and Wisconsin's Anthony Davis and Erasmus James. Utah's Alex Smith and Morgan Scalley are next and would be fifth if for any reason any of the previous five were unable to fulfill the duties of the top five.

    Even though Johnson is probably the Longhorns' MVP this season, I'd argue Benson carries a bigger impact.

    Without Johnson, the defense would still be very, very good. Take away Benson, and the offense is averaging about 200 fewer yards and the team has two more losses.

    But as a pair, they're beyond compare.

  2. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    The guy makes plays. Watch any game and he will make tackles for losses, force fumbles, deflect passes. He is all over the field. That being said, it still takes teammates to make a good defense. That is why AD was able to go over 200 against UT(his high this year was 249 against OSU). The UT defense was able to slow down the OU passing game.
  3. SoTex

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    He had 16 tackles (1 TFL), 1 forced fumble and 1 interception against OU. You have some lofty standards if you think Johnson did not play well in that game IMO.

    ......and for the record, I don't think DJ should win the Heisman.
  4. Nors

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    And go get a real DT and a FS in round 2.
  5. TxStar61

    TxStar61 New Member

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    As I said , I'm not a Texas Fan therefore I do not remember him being talked about much.
    Thanks to all of you for the facts.

    OK , SOTEX :
    "....and for the record, I don't think DJ should win the Heisman."
    You say that he's good... Tell me why he should not win the Trophy.


    I'll admit that IMO IF at the end of the season Adrian Peterson stands head and shoulders above all the rest (screw the records...) He ought to win the Heisman Trophy ! (YEP I know all the whining... he's just a freshman ; he's got more time ; he'll improve as he ages...) Jason is not "too big" and selfish to not let him get 100 yds/ game if at all possible. Or atleast he has not been so far. Is it possible for a freshman to be a contender? YES . BUT, Is it possible for a Freshman to win the Heisman? I don't know.
  6. SoTex

    SoTex Giddy Up

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    Because he is not the most important player on his team. That, in my opinion, is one of the first prerequisites when sorting through Heisman candidates. UT can still win if DJ plays average. They are dead in the water, however, if Benson and Young don't play at a very high level. DJ is a very gifted player. He is the favorite right now to win the Butkus Award. (Best LB in the nation) He has been a finalist the last couple of years. He is a finalist for the Bednarik and Lombardi Awards too.
  7. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    He should have won the Butkus last year. He was the best defensive player on his team. Teddy Lehman was the third best defensive player on his OU team behind Tommie Harris and Derrick Strait. DJ had more tackles, tackles for loss, sacks, forced fumbles and interceptions than Lehman last year.

    I don't think he will win the Heisman because it is more of an offensive award even though it is supposed to be best player. This year will be another close race to see who wins. Benson can make a run at it if he comes up big against Kansas and A&M. He had 300 last year against A&M.
  8. TxStar61

    TxStar61 New Member

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    Al- righty SoTex that makes sense. Now I think I'm getting it. So like IF Jason and AP don't have a good day -- OU looses .....and that sees sometimes Jason has a better day vs the run of AP ? Ok - got it!


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