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Indiana Professor is a Genius

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by irvin88, Aug 25, 2009.

  1. CowboyWay

    CowboyWay If Coach would have put me in, we'd a won State

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    I am? Can you find where I said any of the above? Or do you just ASSume these things?

    I'll wait patiently while you go and search some of my previous comments. It will probably be a while, so I'm going to go get myself a snickers bar.
  2. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    A simple test. Based on all of BO's actions would you vote for him today?
  3. CowboyWay

    CowboyWay If Coach would have put me in, we'd a won State

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    Who's he running against? Bush? Cheney? McCain? Absolutely.

    Of Course thats more of a vote against incompetency than it is for Obama.

    Obama's ok. We don't agree on everything. Not by a long shot. But I don't think he's done anything yet to really rile up you people on the right, like you're pretending to do with every single thing.

    I didn't even start blasting bush until his 3rd year, and I've always hated him. You guys won't even give him the benefit of the doubt on some basic simple stuff. Its laughable.
  4. Rackat

    Rackat Active Member

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    On which "stuff" would you suggest we give him the benefit of the doubt?
  5. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    fair enough. Out of curiosity is there a republican you would vote for against Obama?

    Obama lost the benefit of the doubt when he announced his socialistic intentions of redistribution. I tend to look at most things he does with a very cynical eye as a result. Just my take.
  6. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    More likely, Obama lost the benefit of the (your) doubt when he was named the Dems candidate to run for President.
  7. masomenos

    masomenos Less is more

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    It's funny, because using the same type of analogy you could make a pretty strong argument that class based capitalism is wildly unfair and that a communist system with specialized roles would most benefit the class.

    ::shrugs::
  8. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    I have not had much faith in any of our leaders since Ronnie.
  9. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    He had his fleas too and in some conservative areas I might add.

    But he was the best of the bunch in my lifetime.

    But as far as faith in our leaders...I will join the conspiracy ranks and say I have not had much faith in our Presidents. Just something funny about someone taking a demotion in pay to be the most powerful man in the world and playing party politics along the way while promising things he know he will never deliver on to get to that position.

    In today's politics I don't think a true, honest and completely humble and sane man can get elected to become the POTUS...because politics are so dirty and no sane man would want to become POTUS.

    But that is just me and my tinfoil underoos talking.:D
  10. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I understand this point of view. It is exactly why I favor a Conservative Government approach. The less Government involvment, the smaller the Government is, the better for everybody IMO.
  11. jay cee

    jay cee Active Member

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    I agree Cowboy, but their reaction is no different than the lefties who were so afraid Bush was turning the U.S. into a dictatorship.

    That crap will never fly in America.
  12. CowboyWay

    CowboyWay If Coach would have put me in, we'd a won State

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    that's a good question. I can't think of one off the top of my head but that probably has more to do with the current choices than anything else. Palin? I mean c'mon, she is a dolt. I didn't hate mcain though but I couldn't get over his war mongering. Outside of that I kind of liked him but I just couldn't see voting for someone who chose palin as a running mate. That was political suicide.

    I would most likely vote for an independent or a libertarian over any dem or rep though.
  13. CowboyWay

    CowboyWay If Coach would have put me in, we'd a won State

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    Cash for clunkers for one. I don't really like the program myself as I feel it rewards people who should have bought a more efficient cleaner car in the first place and why should I have to pay for them to get a new car? However, there is no doubt that it helped the economy and the automakers and anyone else in the auto industry

    the bank bailout is another one. I hated bailing out those scumbags. It makes me sick to think about it, however the vast majority of economists said something must be done or else we'd be facing catastrophic economic problems. These people are alot smarter than a bunch of us on an Internet message board so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
  14. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I would make two comments here.

    The Clunkers deal was a bad deal all the way around IMO. It cost us something in the area of 6500 bucks a car. You have auto dealerships right now in serious financial trouble because the Government can't get their money to them. That, to me, was not a good idea.

    On the bank bailout, it didn't fix the lending problem and it cost 350 Billion more then it should have. The original amount needed was only something like 350 Billion. It cost twice as much as was needed and it didn't fix lending. We are still in the same boat we were in when it was passed. All the banks did was take the money and use it to aquire more wealth. I guess our views on these two things are very different.
  15. CowboyWay

    CowboyWay If Coach would have put me in, we'd a won State

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    We'll never know for sure if it fixed the lending problem. We don't know if we'd be in the same boat, or if it would have gotten ALOT worse. Had all those banks went under, where would normal businesses go to get loans?

    I know all about the problems and what the banks did with the money, and it was wrong, and those people are lower than scum. However, nobody here can intelligently discuss what would have happened had they not gotten thier money. Its just the truth. I don't like it any more than you.

    The vast majority of businesses use lines of credit, and if they can't get those lines of credit at reasonable rates, they do one of two things. They do massive layoffs, or they close up shop. If we let all those banks go under, there would have been a ton of jobs go under. Way worse than it is now. My guess is it would have reached the great depression numbers, but again, its just my guess.

    I work at a place that laid off 20% of thier workforce because after the housing bubble, banks got serious about who they lent money too. All of a sudden thier rates skyrocketed if you were considered anything other than "low risk". Our company decided had to let 20% of thier people go, because of the subprime loans in the housing market. The business I'm in has absolutely nothing to do with homes, or mortgages. Yet it affected us all. Its crazy, but thats how these things work when we're talking about economies. What happens to one, trickles down to just about everything else. So to say nothing would have happened to the banks if we just turned our back on them is ignorant.

    Again, I don't claim the be the master economist, but thats my point. We are arguing about all of this, when none of us are master economists. So when I say I'll give Obama the benefit of the doubt, I'll do just that. Because he is the one talking to 20 economists who do nothing but figure this stuff out.

    We don't.
  16. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Wow! Lot of red there.
  17. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    What do you expect from a Lib? Red is their color. It ticks them off as regards to how the media does the electoral college.

    Oh Cowboy- If you are so gullible to think that there are not plenty of classes of those I have described then you really know nothing about modern high schools and colleges. But then very little of what you post really would give anyone a high opinion of your academic credentials.
  18. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    answer to your first question, Better Shape.

    Basically, dealers get x amount of cars to sell. They don't pay for these cars up front but rather, as the inventory gets moved. If the inventory is moved and you don't have the money to pay, then you have a problem.

    Let me also point out that while most people believe that the environment has been helped, the truth of the matter is that not all of these cars were clunkers. In fact, most were not. They were viable transportation that can not be used again. What did you accomplish? You seriously hurt the used car dealers. Now, used cars will be sold for much higher prices because the inventory is not their. So, for those who were able to get into new cars, great for them. However, for the parents who will need to buy a second car or a car for their children, well, now they have to pay more for a car and suffer much less inventory from which to choose from.

    It's interesting that the Government claims this was such a success but let me just point out that the large majority of new cars purchased were trucks and SUVs. That's right, the cars that are not eco friendly or great on gas milage. Good old America bought what it wanted once again and we financed it. Way to go Capitol Hill.

    Let me just think about this now. People who probably had no car payment now have a payment in a very harsh economic time. I wonder what will happen in 12 months or so?

    Lastly, we paid for it and got nothing in return. That's great.



    In response to your second, what does not knowing have to do with borrowing twice as much money as was needed, IF, it was needed? We definately know that the money was sold to us as money that would immediatly infuse the lending and create more loans so that the economy would start to move. That never happened. How could it be a success if it never accomplished what it was intended for? The problem is that people get the two issues involved in the bail out confused. Securities and loans are two different things. When Bernanke came to Bush and said that we needed 350 Billion to insure the Fed on securities, that was to prevent a run on guaranted loans. Their was an easier, cheaper way to handle that but instead, we elected not to pursue that. The Government decided to double the amount of the bailout and do what they wanted to do because they new best. Well, as it turns out, they didn't know best. In spite of the American people, of which 77% were against the bailout, they did it anyway. What resulted was just the opposite of what they promised. No lending, no improvement in the economic outlook and no saving of jobs.

    No benifit of the doubt from me.
  19. TheCount

    TheCount Pixel Pusher

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    Yeah, seriously.
  20. CowboyWay

    CowboyWay If Coach would have put me in, we'd a won State

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    I noticed you didn't refute the fact that I said you've never been to college. Yet you feel qualified to speak about what the students are thinking?

    Thats the problem with people like yourself. There's not a topic in the world they don't consider themselves an expert in. :rolleyes:

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