News: Interesting article about QBs

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  1. Tsgt Hendricks

    Tsgt Hendricks Benched

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    Ok for the all the WE NEED A FIRST ROUND QB people.

    Pass the judgment

    B. Duane Cross,

    So your favorite team landed a quarterback in the first round. Good luck with that, amigo. We've heard it too many times through the years: This quarterback is the next big thing.

    First-round QBs are the equivalent of baseball's old bonus babies. There's a lot of flash, but seldom any substance. Just ask the Bengals, who have drafted four quarterbacks -- Wayne Peace (1984), David Klingler (1992), Akili Smith (1999) and Carson Palmer (2003) -- in the first round since 1984. The Buccaneers, Lions and Bears have drafted three QBs in Round 1 the past 20 years.

    And each of these teams has one thing in common: Their prized draft pick did not win the team a Super Bowl.

    Tampa Bay saw Steve Young and Trent Dilfer hoist the Lombardi -- for the 49ers and Ravens, respectively. Which is more than Chuck Long or Andre Ware did for the Lions. Or Jim Harbaugh and Cade McNown did for Da Bears. Or any other teams, for that matter.


    The Buccaneers' title was won with Brad Johnson under center. A journeyman with his third team. A ninth-round draft pick of the Vikings. Better still is the story of two-time Super Bowl MVP Tom Brady -- a sixth-round choice of the Patriots.

    There were 21 quarterbacks drafted in 1992, including first-rounders Klingler, Dave Brown and Tommy Maddox. Rounds 2-8 featured the likes of Tony Sacca (No. 46), Will Furrer (No. 107) and Bucky Richardson (No. 220). Johnson, the 227th pick, wasn't even the first Florida State QB drafted that year, which was fourth-round choice Casey Weldon at No. 102.

    In 2000, Brady was the seventh QB selected, behind the likes of Giovanni Carmazzi (No. 65), Tee Martin (No. 163) and Spergon Wynn (No. 183). And note Carmazzi, the 49ers' third-round pick who never threw a pass in the NFL, has been outlasted by San Francisco's seventh-round choice, Tim Rattay.

    But Eli Manning is different. Ditto Philip Rivers. And Ben Roethlisberger. And J.P. Losman.

    Yeah, right.

    Since 1984, only three first-round QBs have led the team that drafted them to the Super Bowl: Troy Aikman, Steve McNair and Drew Bledsoe. There have been 47 quarterbacks drafted in the first round in that time. That's 6 percent, if you're keeping score at home.

    Twenty-seven teams have drafted a QB in Round 1 since 1984. Only the Chiefs, Dolphins*, Packers, Rams and Saints have not taken a quarterback with a first-round pick in the past 20 years. However, those teams have appeared in five Super Bowls and won two times.

    (* -- OK, so Miami played in Super Bowl XIX with Dan Marino, a first-round pick in 1983; who takes odd-numbered years to make a comparison study? And for the record, yes John Elway, Jim Kelly and Tony Eason -- three other alums of the Class of '83 -- made it to the Super Bowl, but again, that draft was 21 years ago. I had to draw the line somewhere, and it was at 20 years.)

    The Rams and Packers won the title with quarterbacks not drafted by St. Louis or Green Bay. Kurt Warner was an undrafted free agent; Brett Favre was chosen by the Falcons in Round 2. Even San Francisco, the most successful team of the past 20 years, won its championships with a third-round pick (Joe Montana, 1979) and a player the 49ers traded for (Young, the Bucs' first-round choice in 1984's supplemental draft).

    Will the Big Three plus 1 of 2004 compare favorably to the Class of 1983? Only time will tell, but remember that everyone was quick to draw comparisons between '83 and the Class of 1999 just five years ago. Since then, Tim Couch has fallen out of favor in Cleveland, while Cincinnati's Akili Smith and Chicago's Cade McNown have washed out of the league. Only Philly's Donovan McNabb and Minnesota's Daunte Culpepper remain their teams' starter.

    Of 1983's six first-round QBs, four made it to the Super Bowl. And three are either already enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame (Elway and Kelly) or will be soon (Marino). The Class of 1999 -- and 2003 -- have a lot of producing to do before being compared to the greatest.

    In fact, the 43 first-round QBs since '84 (excluding this year's four; they haven't had the chance to take a snap) have combined to play 2,772 games, which averages out to 64 games per QB -- or four seasons. They also have averaged 65 touchdowns and 57 interceptions for their careers. Hardly the stuff of legend.

    Which should give everyone cause for pause before lauding Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger and Losman as the next big things.

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  2. Kangaroo

    Kangaroo Active Member

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    All we need is a Tampa Bay reject qb to win the SuperBowl

    Lets see

    Doug Williams Cut superbowl
    Steve Young traded Superbowl
    Dilfer cut superbowl

    That is my conspiarcy theory lol
  3. TwoDeep3

    TwoDeep3 Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Now please post the number of non-first round QB's selected that have amounted to anything.

    Montana comes to mind.

    Now post how many non-first round QB's have gone on to be nothing in this league.

    What's left out of this logic in the article is that most players don't make it in the NFL.

    So whether they were selected in the first round or the 7th or 12th back in the day, most players are just someone who has a story to tell about the time they were taken in the draft.
  4. Jimz31

    Jimz31 The Sarcastic One

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    Do you not agree that a QB taken in the first round SHOULD have amounted to SOMETHING?
  5. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

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    Basically, what this article means to the Cowboys is that some team is going to reach for a QB next year, figuring he's the next great QB. And if we have a high pick, maybe we'll be trading partners with that Buffalo pick.

    All draft classes look weak until the end of the NFL/college seasons. :)
  6. Hostile

    Hostile The Duke

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    Why bring common sense and logic into a fairy tale world?

    The fact of the matter is more 1st round drafted QBs have taken teams to the Super Bowl than non 1st rounders. If you want a QB who can win more than 1 the odds really skyrocket up.

    The article is less than eye opening because it does nothing to express how many QBs have been drafted since 1984 in any round other than the 1st. I guarantee you that 6% looks titanic in comparison to what that number would be.

    Revelation in this article? Of course not.
  7. blindzebra

    blindzebra Well-Known Member

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    I guess it means that 3rd in 2005 we spent on Henson should pay off then.


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    you guys forgot brady's 2 superbowls pretty quick.
    warner undrafted
    brad johnson 6th round pick.
    Farve is another
    Mark rypien
    joe Theismen
    jeff hostetler,
  9. jay cee

    jay cee Active Member

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    What this article means to me is that anyone that says they KNOW any particular QB, or actually any player is going to be a success is full of crap.

    No one knows how these players will turn out.
  10. jterrell

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    No one can deny that stat of only 4 QBs in 20 years is shocking.

    The best QBs of all times include Montana and Favre who were both non-1st rounders.

    The Cowboys have caught on here and arent wasting high picks on QBs thank goodness because it is the ultimate crapshoot.

    Getting Henson (who was as highly rated as a college sophomore as any of the past 3 years 1st round QBs were) for a future 3rd was a stroke of genius.

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