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Interesting radio point regarding Cowboys training and overall health

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by bounce, Nov 13, 2013.

  1. bounce

    bounce Active Member

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    Thanks. That gave it more context. Glad someone else heard it, too. He's on every week, and normally it's just filler radio, but this one was particularly interesting.
  2. waving monkey

    waving monkey Active Member

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    totally unacceptable if true
  3. dropdeadfred5

    dropdeadfred5 Active Member

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    those claiming this cannot be happening are ignoring Jerry's past. He gets into EVERYTHING that is involved with the boys. EVERYTHING. So why would him interfering there be any surprise?

    And it is known that he really wants to be liked by his players. So defering to them on certain things like this would also not be a surprise.

    And maybe its getting worse.
  4. Doc50

    Doc50 Original Fan Zone Supporter

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    This doesn't definitively explain anything, because it's just speculation.
    I wouldn't get too riled up about a minor bit of hearsay on one individual's several-year history of torn hamstrings, which have been treated with every strategy known to mankind.

    And BTW, each case is different -- each tear, each player, each subsequent treatment regimen.
  5. Doc50

    Doc50 Original Fan Zone Supporter

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    Have to call BS on this one.

    It's illegal to share patient information without the patient's consent, even to a spouse.
  6. dropdeadfred5

    dropdeadfred5 Active Member

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    sounds like someone in the Health Industry trying to protect his territory.

    sure its just speculation but it sounds a whole lot more realistic then what you are spouting.
  7. SilverStarCowboy

    SilverStarCowboy The Actualist

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    That's not a solution. This is an institution, of failure.
  8. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    I'm well aware of HIPAA. I own a record center. All I was getting at is what should be and what is are usually two different things and that medical staffs have not taken their oaths seriously for decades. They have swept the head trauma issues under the rug. Not exactly ethical. If they care so little about their patients, a little thing like confidentiality will not mean much to them.

    Obviously I am not saying all doctors are like this, but many simply do not care.
  9. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    Jerry has admitted to doing just that in the past.
  10. Doc50

    Doc50 Original Fan Zone Supporter

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    Well, if some doctors don't care, then they must be motivated simply by money.

    If so, any substandard or negligent care in the bright lights and high-dollar world of professional sports will soon result in separation of those docs from their money, and maybe even their license.
  11. Gameover

    Gameover Well-Known Member

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    This is why I believe Jerry stepping down as GM won't solve all our problems.

    Jerry the owner is as big a problem as Jerry the GM.
  12. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    Has he? That's not anything I've seen before. You remember the context?
  13. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    It has been happening since the first day of football regarding head trauma. The docs work for the team, not the player. They do as they are told.
  14. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    It was during draft time.

    Said he had 3 doctors who wouldn't sign off on a RB that he wanted to trade for. All 3 said the guy couldn't play because his knee was shot. Jerry traded for him anyway. I'm on the phone or I would find the clip.
  15. gmoney112

    gmoney112 Well-Known Member

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    No rehab is "excruciating".

    Not sure if it was your intention but it sounds like you're making an excuse for Austin's decision. It hurts yeah, it's definitely not ideal, it's going to be sore a lot, but this is rehab that normal guys can/have done. It's much less "excruciating" than it is time consuming and it makes Miles seem lazy. I mean come on bro, you're a professional. I guess that what happens when you pay a UDFA out of Monmouth.

    /rehabbed a torn rotator cuff and meniscus. the first 6-8 weeks after a torn cuff the only thing you want in the world is the ability to sleep laying down
  16. Doc50

    Doc50 Original Fan Zone Supporter

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    Not true in a court of law -- the responsibility is to the patient.

    My point is that there is huge amount of financial liability for the team and all parties involved in players' health.
    If, for example, we can now say that CTE is a major problem directly associated with multiple concussions, then taking improper precautions would be negligence, actionable in court. If standard of care is maintained without prior knowledge of such delayed consequences, then there is no liability.

    You can see the attempt at safety, with all the new rule changes addressing that formidable liability.
  17. Picksix

    Picksix A Work in Progress

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    The world of athletic training and physical therapy at that level is a pretty small one, and there are national seminars every year for the pro AT/PT society. I've been to a couple on the baseball. We all talked. I'm sure they do, too.
  18. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    It was Alonzo Highsmith.



    You can listen to the whole bit but the part where he basically brushed aside the advice of 3 doctors comes around 1:40.
  19. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    Great find. I hadn't heard that before, or I didn't remember it.
  20. Plankton

    Plankton Well-Known Member

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    While this sounds good, I don't believe that Jerry Jones knew Alonzo Highsmith from a fence post back in 1990.

    Highsmith played for Jimmy Johnson for three years at Miami, and was a captain for two of those seasons. He was one of Johnson's all time favorite players in college. Being that Johnson was in charge of personnel back then, and with his personal history with the player, I think this had Jimmy's name written all over it.

    In Bayless' book The Boys, he indicated that Johnson needed to be convinced by his coaching staff that Highsmith couldn't play anymore. When confronted about it, he said, "no, not Alonzo - he can still play!" He was eventually convinced.

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