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Is it time to declare Claiborne a bust?

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by AmberBeer, Apr 16, 2014.

  1. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    Losing his starting job is a good indicator that he wasn't playing well.
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  2. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    That's a pretty low bar to set to say that they have to be bad enough to where they just can't play.

    Bobby Carpenter was an absolute bust and he's played like 6-7 seasons.......which I guess would make him not a bust?

    Claiborne can still turn it around but his play will have to improve significantly to avoid being a bust at the end of his rookie deal.
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  3. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    Well, I was specifically talking about playing starters' snaps there. I think it's an important distinction. Busts don't give you starts, and they don't even excel in key roles (they way, say, Desmond Howard ended up doing at one point). They just can't play. Claiborne gives us quality snaps--both as a starter and even last year, when he missed time due to injury and was replaced in the starting lineup, in reserve. There was a notable difference in what we did on the back end with Mo out and what we were able to do with a third man-cover CB when he was in.

    He's nowhere near a bust, and it's too soon to tell, anyway. Claiborne's going to get starters snaps in this league, both in Dallas and after if he's not extended at the end of his rookie contract. The issue with Claiborne is people were expecting him to play at a very high level, and he has not. He's been a very average player as a press CB, and he's missed time and gets bullied by strong WRs. It's not anything like Bobby Carpenter who couldn't get on the field.
  4. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    Actually, it's an indication that Scandrick was playing better. But then, Scandrick was also outplaying Carr at that point last season, too.
  5. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    What else is there to say. When Broaddus questions his desire and dedication, it aint all roses.
  6. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    Post of the day.

    Great stuff man.
  7. theSHOW

    theSHOW Benched

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    So, you agree with me
  8. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    Seriously? Because Broaddus questioning something is hardly the measurement I'd use for determining something like that. Especially when you've seen Mo play well and you've heard other players (Dez and Scandrick I'm talking about, here) say how good he's going to be when he puts it all together.
  9. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    Well at least we know who the president of the Mo Claiborne apologist club is.
  10. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    This post should have closed the thread. It shows just how much of a bust Mo really is. This argument is over. Great work Amber.
  11. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    Scandrick took his job and then talks him up. This is comedy gold.
  12. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    Mo playing time is approaching the point where he won't see the field. He lost his starting position. That is a serious sign of where his career is headed.
  13. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    You know me. Not one to throw a player under a bus just for attention.

    As I always say, I put a lot of stock in what players say about their teammates. And almost none in what unhappy fans choose to believe.
  14. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    Yeah. Because that's Orlando Scandrick, all over. Just talking other players up whenever he can.
  15. ChldsPlay

    ChldsPlay Well-Known Member

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    First, I said from the 2nd half of the Denver game on. That eliminates the SD game. Second, PFF is not a stat. Third, I question the validity of the stats from the Philly game, but please tell me how a CB gets school by a team that has less than 90 yds passing in 3 quarters. Is it really that hard to use critical thinking skills?
  16. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    What do you think he is going to say about a teammate that he just replaced in the starting lineup? Scandrick is not going to come out and say I took his job because he is not a starting quality CB. Don't you think Scandrick is trying to keep tension down between himself and the guy that he replaced as a starter? I have noticed that you don't understand that coaches and players will not talk about teammates in a negative way. I have my problems with Jerry and Garrett, but they wouldn't allow teammates to blast each other in the media. I can't think of many jobs that would allow coworkers to do this. It is bad business and would create a very bad work place atmosphere. Even the bag boys at Piggly Wiggly would know better. Come on man, use some common sense.nif you want to take players comments to heart, listen to former players that can tell the truth without fear of losing their jobs.
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  17. Dodger12

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    As I read through the off-season threads I sometimes wonder if we all watched the same team last season. It's very bizarre......
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  18. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    Starting snaps is a horrible measuring stick because it says nothing about how well the player was actually playing.

    Alan Ball gave a few teams "starting snaps".

    Nearly every player taken in the top 10 will give their team starting snaps on opening day, many of whom will ultimately be labeled busts.

    Top 10, and especially top 5 picks are given every opportunity to show that they can't play before finally being tossed out.

    Even with starting snaps if his play doesn't improve he will be a bust. Nobody's spending Top 5 picks for mediocre play.
  19. CyberB0b

    CyberB0b Village Idiot

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    Well, he only played in 10 games, so you are eliminating 4 and a half of the games he did play in, so nearly 50%. Of those 10 games, he only started 7, because he lost his job later in the year. So you are talking about a window of 2-3 games where he played well.
  20. ChldsPlay

    ChldsPlay Well-Known Member

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    Uhm, no. I would count KC, Stl, The 2nd half against Denver, Wash, Philadelphia, Detroit, New York (2nd game), and Philly again as games he played well in. That's 7.5 of 10, including the final 5 and a half games (from Denver on). It's stupid to continue to criticize a player if you're unwilling to recognize improvement.

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