Is OL really that bad?

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  1. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    I think Cook was awful. He got stood up a lot and showed limited quickness even in the box he was given. When DT are in the backfield it is hard to run the ball.
  2. texbumthelife

    texbumthelife Well-Known Member

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    I think it was his ability to pull that impressed me. I remember seeing him pull on a few sweeps and really doing a good job. That may be his only strength.
  3. burmafrd

    burmafrd Benched

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    cook was at least decent pass blocking - that was about the limit of what he was good at
  4. honyock

    honyock Well-Known Member

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    I'd think that better guard play will make a pretty big difference. I hope that half of that comes with a high draft pick who can start day one.

    I thought Livings looked better than Berny, but that sure isn't a universal opinion. One thing about Bernadeau, he probably has a bigger upside than Livings. He was coming off injuries and surgery, so maybe he is more solid if he gets to the season healthy. With Livings, what we saw is probably more what we'll continue to see. He got smoked by quickness too often.

    I'd expect that we'll get an OT in FA as a backup/insurance if Parnell can't cut it (and I thought Parnell looked pretty good in his audition late in the year). I'm expecting Costa, Kowalski and Berny to fight it out at center.
  5. rwalters31

    rwalters31 Well-Known Member

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    You are wrong! It is that bad! So bad that Romo is dead man walking just waiting for the time to go down with an injury. Neeeeeeeed three OL in the center of line.
  6. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Cook played all but 3 (13 of 16) games at Center. He was decent in pass-blocking. Maybe as good as anybody; however, his run blocking is terrible. He is too tall to consistently play with good leverage and too slow to get to many blocks in space.

    Costa played 1 game (Baltimore) and the run blocking looked great; however, it was just 1 game AND he has had multiple injury issues in his short career.

    Bernadeau played 2 games at Center. I made a post about my review of his 1st start at Center in week 11. He was really impressive at Center. Having the ball in his hands an knowing exactly when it would be snapped seemed to help him.
  7. xwalker

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    Just having Parnell replace Free will be a big upgrade, IMO. He is big with long arms and is both quicker and stronger than Free. He just needs to keep getting experience. Having a veteran RG next to him will be critical, IMO.

    At Center they must replace Cook to have any chance of a decent running game. Cook was good at pass-blocking but just can't run block. He has issues with leverage due to his height and he is very slow footed. They have options with Costa, Kowalski and Bernadeau.

    Either Livings or Bernadeau could be serviceable Guards if they were on an OLine with 4 really good players; however, in 2012 they were on an OLine with a terrible run-blocking Center and a big mess at RT in Doug Free.

    The minimum upgrade OLine this year would be better than the 2012 OLine, IMO.

    Minimum upgrade OLine:
    LT - Smith
    LG - Livings
    OC - Costa/Kowalski
    RG - Bernadeau
    RT - Parnell

    Adding 1 good OG would be the next step. Cooper or Warmack in the draft would be instant upgrades.

    Since Free Agency comes before the draft, I would really like it if they added RG Brandon Moore (Jets) in Free Agency. That would give them a solid veteran next to Parnell that is an expert in Callahan's scheme. It would allow Bernadeau to get into the competition at OC which appears to be a better position for him.
  8. BHendri5

    BHendri5 Well-Known Member

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    The OL was not that good, because the right players were not in the right spot, or healthy to play.
  9. honyock

    honyock Well-Known Member

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    Hey xwalker, if we draft a guard high (say Cooper), where would you put him? At LG, moving Livings to RG next to Parnell and let Bernadeau compete at center?
  10. LatinMind

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    no you read right. bernadeau struggled some but not as bad as livings. livings was a disaster. a former scout in broaddus agrees.

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  11. ak47kaehu

    ak47kaehu Well-Known Member

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    If it was as bad as most of you say it was then romo would be dead and would not have thrown for almost 5000 yds!
  12. Ultimategamer5567

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    That is more a credit to Romo's ability than the O-line. He was running for his life every other play. Luckily, there probably isn't a better QB in the league at escaping pressure in the pocket than Tony Romo.
  13. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    Yep. Starting day 1 of free agency.
  14. BraveHeartFan

    BraveHeartFan We got a hat. I want a ring.

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    Other than Smith yes the OL was absolutely terrible. It needs to be upgraded in a major way.
  15. burmafrd

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    31 in the league in rushing
    27 in the league in rushing TDs
    20 in the league in scoring in the Red Zone (and that with one of the best kickers in the NFL last year)

    Unable to score more than 10 points in the first half all season.

    Romo on the run most of the time.

    Yeah the O line was that bad and unlike some I really doubt that letting them play together longer will do much to improve things- not when most of your starters are JAGs.
  16. Boys122

    Boys122 Well-Known Member

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    That sums it up right there.
  17. bigdnlaca

    bigdnlaca Well-Known Member

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    Luckily, he has great footwork to make the line better than it really is. If he had the scrambling ability of Peyton, he would be dead and not throw for close to 5000.
  18. Boys122

    Boys122 Well-Known Member

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    The scary thing about our OL is, I don't think Jerry is gonna make a lot of changes. He believes our OL has talent.

    Not sure what games he was watching from the pressbox but he must have been drunk.
  19. DFWJC

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    At least 2 and as many as 4 of the starting Olineman should be backups.
    Berny or Costa at center is possibly serviceable.
    Free needs to be...freed. The Parnell will be a wildcard. I'd prefer if he were a backup.

    But the big problem is at guard. We may have the very worst guard combo of any team in the entire league.
  20. xwalker

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    Exactly. I play the draft pick at his college position. For Cooper or Warmack that would be LG. Livings would need to move to RG.

    I don't know if you saw it, but I made a post about my review of Bernadeau in the 1st game where he started at Center (week 11). He was very impressive. I definitely think he is better at Center than at Guard. I believe it is due to him knowing exactly when the ball is going to be snapped.

    My top preference would be Brandon Moore (Jets) at RG, but I'm doubtful that it happens. Livings appears to be another player with a guaranteed base salary for 2013.

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