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Jake Plummer at odds with NFL for continuing to honor Pat Tillman

Discussion in 'NFL Zone' started by TruBlueCowboy, Sep 30, 2004.

  1. TruBlueCowboy

    TruBlueCowboy New Member

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    Sometimes you just gotta shake your head at the NFL brass. No common sense upstairs sometimes. :eek:

    http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/broncos/article/0,1299,DRMN_17_3219584,00.html

    Tillman tribute intercepted
    Plummer at odds with NFL on wearing '40' decal on helmet

    By Lee Rasizer, Rocky Mountain News
    September 30, 2004


    If Jake Plummer continues paying tribute to his former college and pro teammate Pat Tillman by wearing a "40" decal on his helmet, he soon could be paying through the nose.

    Plummer, the Broncos starting quarterback and twice a former teammate of the late Tillman, was in violation of the NFL's uniform code when he donned the sticker during the Broncos' victory Sunday against the San Diego Chargers.

    His helmet still is emblazoned with Tillman's former uniform number.

    Plummer said after practice Wednesday he hadn't been informed of a fine yet, likely $5,000 for a first offense and $10,000 for a second. But the league is promising to take action if he continues to ignore its call to desist, and might already have levied a fine through his agent.

    "We will enforce our rule," NFL vice president of public relations Greg Aiello said.

    All of the league's teams in Week 2 wore the "40" decal for Tillman, who was killed in the spring in combat in Afghanistan. Only the Arizona Cardinals, Tillman's former team, are slated to wear the decal all season.

    San Francisco 49ers linebacker Derek Smith, like Plummer, a former Arizona State teammate of Tillman's, petitioned the league last week to allow a personal continuation of the tribute.

    The league declined, and Smith removed the "40" for the 49ers game against the Seattle Seahawks.

    Plummer proceeded despite the denial.

    "It's between me and the league right now," said Plummer, who also spent four seasons with Tillman (1998-2001) with the Cardinals. "We are working out something. They don't want us wearing that."

    Plummer spoke of possible conciliation with the league "that won't infringe upon the NFL logo, their uniform codes," while continuing to honor his friend's memory "for the rest of the year."

    "As long as I play, I will continue to do that," he added.

    But any negotiations in that regard came as news to Aiello, who said, "I'm not familiar with any compromise."

    The case is similar to one in September 2002, when Colts quarterback Peyton Manning wanted to wear high-top shoes as a nod to Johnny Unitas, who had died. The league also rejected that notion, and Manning went back to Indianapolis' usual white cleats.

    "The rule is players can't use the uniform for personal tributes because there would be no place to draw the line," Aiello said. "There are certainly many ways for players to honor Pat Tillman than putting something on an NFL helmet."

    Aiello also pointed out that Tillman has been recognized several times since his death, including at the draft, the Pro Football Hall of Fame ceremony and the season-opening kickoff show in addition to Week 2.

    "I'm not going to fight the NFL about it," Plummer said.
  2. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Pow! Pow!

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    While I think it's great that Plummer wants to honor Tillman, the NFL is right in this case. Where do you draw the line? If you start letting players add or change things about the uniform, it's only a matter of time before serious alterations will start taking place. It's best to keep it very strict.
  3. TruBlueCowboy

    TruBlueCowboy New Member

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    Sorry, but I think is just common sense. The NFL sounds just like the ACLU. "Where do we draw the line," they cry? Well, I tell you where you don't draw the line -- when someone is trying to honor perhaps the greatest NFL hero we'll ever see this century. The NFL's decision regarding Johnny Unitas with Manning was also idiotic. This just seems like common sense stuff to me.
  4. Q_the_man

    Q_the_man Active Member

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    though I respect Tillman for what he did! He is by far no hero,he got killed in friendly fire, he captured no one and gave away millions.

    Every soldier could be called a hero than, since they all fought the war.

    And this is coming from a vet in me. don't get it twisted I love my country and just because u do something that ur brother ask u to do(Tillman) does not make u a hero.

    And no u should not be able to honor people ur own way on the field. If so, players would be wearing all black on the home talking about " this was my homie favorite color b4 he got shot at the carwash, feel me!
  5. Hostile

    Hostile Peace Zone Supporter

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    I totally agree. The NFL was going to fine Manning 50K if he wore black high tops. A lot of people dislike Terry Bradshaw, but I will always appreciate his comments. He said if Manning wore the shoes he would pay the fine.

    Some things are just right and Aiello is simply out of touch.
  6. TLW47

    TLW47 New Member

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    I disagree 100% with your post Q.

    That man was a hero.
  7. Yeagermeister

    Yeagermeister Active Member

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    I disagree. He was killed going back to help fellow soldiers that were pinned down. Yes he was killed by friendly fire but in the act of trying to save them.
  8. jobberone

    jobberone Orangutans make great guitarists Staff Member

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    But your post does appear to be insensitive. And the league is being ridiculous. They do need to draw their line with more common sense.

    I'm a vet of the Vietnam era also so don't trump me with the vet stuff.

    Tillman did give up millions to be with his brother. Yes, he did have a desire to do it but that doesn't take away from walking away from a small fortune to eat dust and hump for miles. I didn't give up a fortune. I simply wanted that GI bill.

    Getting killed by friendly fire doesn't demean his death in any way. He gave up his life in harm's way. What more could you ask from any soldier, policeman, or firefighter. Or anyone rescuing a drowning person.

    Pat Tillman was a hero just like anyone who puts their life on the line everyday. He was a brother of the NFL and they are honoring their home son.

    The league is not showing common sense in allowing former teammates as well as the former team to honor him all year. There are exceptions to every rule. I don't buy the if we allow this we have to allow that.

    Both sides need to compromise here.
  9. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    You draw the friggin line wheverever you want. Its your rule and rules are made to be broken.
    I am 100% [positive Plummer could get his fines paid for if he wanted to wear the decal.

    Man the NFL drives me crazy sometimes.

    And Qman you sir need a swift kick in the behind.

    Everyone who fights for our country is a hero. If they join specifically to fight they are a bigger hero. If they pass up quality job/business opportunities to do so again a bigger hero. If they left a life of luxury in their mid 20's to join the elite Ranger squads which you probably couldn't qualify for(simply odds since 99% of the servicemen don't) then you are certianly a hero. And of course anyone dyng on foreign soil during a time of combat(friendly fire or not) is a hero. You have no idea how many kills Tillman had. How many people he rescued or anything else because that is all classified.
  10. Tobal

    Tobal Well-Known Member

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    He should petition the NFL to keep the fine at 5k and then stick that money in a fund for fallen soldiers famalies. That way Plummer could continue to wear the 40 and the money would go to a cause he supported, but they are still enforcing their rule.
  11. trickblue

    trickblue Old Testament... Zone Supporter

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    Guys... as much respect as I have for Tillman... the NFL is right on this...

    Remember... they are already allowing the Cardinals to wear the "40" on their helmet for the year...

    Now I think they should have given the players the right to wear 40 on the helmet for the entire year... but they have decided not to do so for some reason... no going back now...

    If they allow special circumstances, others will try to replicate the same thing with their own heros and tributes... it will never end and at some point some player will challenge the NFL in court...

    While I appreciate Plummer on this... he should wear a t-shirt under his pads or something similar...
  12. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    Great post and let me add a take.

    Some are worried that if they make a change in this case then they will have to do so in others.

    To that I say....If another starter for an NFL team turns down a million dollar plus contract to join the armed services in a time of war and then dies while serving his country in battle...then I say they SHOULD make an exception.

    Ladies and gentlemen...this man DIED SERVING HIS COUNTRY....he turned down millions of dollars to serve his country...how many other NFL players in the prime of their careers being offered million dollar contracts said NO and felt the need to serve his country and join an elite military unit KNOWING he would go into battle?
  13. SoTex

    SoTex Giddy Up

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    Brilliant post jobberone. Level headed and right on the money. I wholeheartedly agree with all your points.

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