1. Welcome to CowboysZone!  Join us!  Come on!  You know you want to!

James Harden Traded To Houston

Discussion in 'Sports Zone' started by Cowboys&LakersFan, Oct 27, 2012.

  1. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

    5,175 Messages
    337 Likes Received
    That likely isn't true, I can't see any way Minnesota parts ways with Love unless he tells them he wants out now.
  2. Cowboys&LakersFan

    Cowboys&LakersFan Benched

    14,198 Messages
    0 Likes Received
  3. juck

    juck Well-Known Member

    9,134 Messages
    85 Likes Received
    The season didnt start yet,chill son
  4. dargonking999

    dargonking999 DKRandom

    11,807 Messages
    172 Likes Received
    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8...ay-true-their-philosophy-trading-james-harden
  5. Kangaroo

    Kangaroo Active Member

    9,893 Messages
    0 Likes Received
    Sam is no dummy and the Spurs Front Office miss him. He is better than Bufford. Dam you Holt should have shipped off Bufford and kept Sam :rake:
  6. casmith07

    casmith07 I'm the best poster in the game!

    27,581 Messages
    2,963 Likes Received
    Good trade for OKC, because Harden wasn't going to sign.
  7. Kangaroo

    Kangaroo Active Member

    9,893 Messages
    0 Likes Received
    While harden is a better athlete and top end talent is better than Martins. I do not thin OKC loses all that much. Martin can score, darws fouls and gets to the line and has a better mid range jumper than Harden. I think harden has better defense even though it is not great defense.

    Then they add in a young Lamb who they can groom for a year to fill the void and 3 draft picks which gives them flexibility and may allow them to move up in the draft and nab someone they want.

    What people forget about the luxury tax change where it is like a $1.50 per $1 over. There are a few teams that can spend that type of money one being the Knicks but even they are being smart about that which is why they did not match the Lin offer.

    The reason they did not wait on a sign in trade in the offseason is they have to take on a salary they do not want. Right now they get Martin for 1 year then he is cleared off the books are maybe he does great for them and he signs a cheap contract. Then again Lamb may blow up and give them their future.

    Smart move by OKC I think harden is the least important of the big three.

    They still have Westbrook, Durant and Sir Chewbacka not like they are lacking talent.
  8. bigdnlaca

    bigdnlaca Active Member

    971 Messages
    32 Likes Received
    Not surprised at all.

    The commentators were saying that OKC would have a tough choice to either keep 2 players from Westbrook, Ibaka, and Harden before last season started.

    When Westbrook got that 5 yr 85, Harden knew that he wasn't going to get that money. The Final straw happened when they signed Ibaka to that 4 year 48 mil.

    I think this is good for both teams. It is good for OKC because Martin is a better scorer and shooter than Harden imo.

    It better Houston because if Lin struggles at point they can have Harden @ point and move Lin at shooting guard if they use that setup.
  9. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

    16,598 Messages
    2,474 Likes Received
    Not only was Harden a top 5 SG talent but he was also integral to the chemistry of that team. In crunch time he helped run the offense and kept Westbrook from being too much of a chucker.

    Harden wasn't a chucker and his dribble penetration was elite. He can finish against shotblocking bigs and draw fouls. He is a plus defender and can get assist on dribble penetration as evidenced by his 4 APG.

    Martin lost a lot of his FTA from pump fakes due to rules changes and is not much of a penetrator. He is a chucker and at best average passer and defender.

    Harden was an integral part of their team as evidenced by the daggers he stuck into the Lakers and Spurs last postseason. And at the end of the day the chemistry developed between he Durant and Westbrook was a HUGE part of their success. That's difficult to quantify but I think it's going to play big considering the trade happened a week before the season began.

    Don't get me wrong Presti made the best he could have out of a bad situation. He didn't do like Orlando and trade Dwight Howard for Arron Afflalo for example.
  10. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

    16,598 Messages
    2,474 Likes Received
    Umm Martin played more minutes for the same amount of points on 5 more shots per game. A 41% shooter is nowhere near the level of a 49% shooter and Martin doesn't get to the line as much anymore.

    Martin cannot hold Harden's jock and Harden is 23 years old. There really is no comparison. Harden is the best young SG in the NBA right now.
  11. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

    21,917 Messages
    1,505 Likes Received
    That is why OKC got more in return than just Martin.
  12. Cowboys&LakersFan

    Cowboys&LakersFan Benched

    14,198 Messages
    0 Likes Received
    Harden is the third best shooting guard in the game behind only Kobe Bryant and Dwayne Wade. A big thing OKC is gonna miss is Harden's play making. He was really the point guard of the team. He made life so much easier for Westbrook and Durant. Now who's gonna be the play maker? Durant's strength is scoring not passing the ball and making plays for others. Westbrook can do it, but he's a shoot first point guard. Now you're asking him to do something he's not comfortable doing so. Martin isn't a play maker at all. He's a one dimensional scorer. Gonna be interesting to see how OKC looks without Harden.
  13. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

    16,598 Messages
    2,474 Likes Received
    Sure which is why i was responding to the notion that Martin was as good a scorer. Not only is he not, he is not by a very large margin.

    Lamb is another chucker who has a reputation for being a selfish player on a selfish UConn squad.

    It comes down to that Toronto pick.

    Presti jumped on, considering recent history, what was about as good as one could get. He made the right move but from a wins share position its a HUGE downgrade for OKC.
  14. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

    16,598 Messages
    2,474 Likes Received
    The lack of solid young 2's is pretty alarming.
  15. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

    33,928 Messages
    2,890 Likes Received
    Haven't kept up with it, but even last year when everyone could see this coming, there was talk of using the amnesty provision on Perkins. Wonder what happened with that.
  16. JoeyBoy718

    JoeyBoy718 Well-Known Member

    4,392 Messages
    1,785 Likes Received
    Minnesota would be trading 1 white guy for 2 black guys... That might be good for their PR.
  17. Kangaroo

    Kangaroo Active Member

    9,893 Messages
    0 Likes Received
    I can tell you what happen Dwight Howard extra body to throw at him and wear him down and foul him.
  18. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

    33,928 Messages
    2,890 Likes Received
    Wat...
  19. Kangaroo

    Kangaroo Active Member

    9,893 Messages
    0 Likes Received
    OKC kept Perkins because of Dwight Howard to the Lakers instead of using the amnesty on him. That is why they kept him to help match up against the Lakers because despite being a SA fan I think the Lakers are in a better spot than the Spurs.
  20. MC KAos

    MC KAos Well-Known Member

    7,499 Messages
    39 Likes Received
    Perk has always been the guy that gets in howard's head the most of anyone in the league. He plays him great. I think if the lakers didnt make that trade for howard, the thunder might have done something different.

Share This Page