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Jones quote re: Ratliff's extension

Discussion in 'Jerry/Garrett/Rant Zone' started by JerryJonesMustGo, Oct 17, 2013.

  1. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    I'll give you that contracts after 30 are inherent more risky but not so much you dump a guy. Also most of those deals are for meeting cap concerns and don't last but 2-3 years.
  2. unionjack8

    unionjack8 Well-Known Member

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    yeah it was, you NEVER EVER pay someone for past production, just what they can do for you going forward. He was already decling in his play and was physically breaking down. IT WAS BRAINDEAD.
  3. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    Difference is, Allen actually is playing football, and he didn't get his current deal two years before his last one expired.

    And I was referring to the many names on that list from a different era.
  4. unionjack8

    unionjack8 Well-Known Member

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    amen !!!
    I dont care what he does with his money, but when ita ffects the ability of this franchise to get better due to cap constraints thats where we as fans have a right to be upset
  5. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    I never said they were the same. Allen is all pro as was Ratliff when he signed that deal. Even the extension Ratliff got was below market value is the point that I am making.

    You were trotting out an inflated $9M AAV. I was giving you perspective as to what that is worth for DL. You miss the forest for a few trees.
  6. unionjack8

    unionjack8 Well-Known Member

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    add in Ken Hamlin
    WR Roy "turdman" Williams extension

  7. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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    :D
  8. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    You would think that we would have not been able to resign Romo and Lee or bring in Carr these last two years.

    I try and talk cap specifics with people such as yourself but normally you have no interest. Let's leave it at generalities then.

    What player are we not going to be able to resign because of Ratliff's acceleration?
    Are you suggesting you want us to build through FA this offseason?
  9. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    I was replying to another post that mention Roy Williams the WR's bad trade/contract.

    Hamlin's contract wasn't a gem either.
  10. Kaiser

    Kaiser Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    So the "last 15 - 20 years" involves two different eras of the NFL? Stomp your foot once for yes, Silver, twice for no.
  11. BraveHeartFan

    BraveHeartFan We got a hat. I want a ring.

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    It really doesn't help Rat's case when the majority of the people you're trying to use by comparison are Hall of Famers or could be.

    Rat isn't.
  12. ThreeandOut

    ThreeandOut Well-Known Member

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    So if I understand the concerns correctly, we should have never signed an injured 30+ year old player with declining production to a big contract. Quick, someone needs to get on the Denver message board to let their fans know that Elway was an idiot for signing Peyton Manning.
  13. Red Dragon

    Red Dragon Well-Known Member

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    Well, it's a technically true statement isn't it? Jerry HAS made worse mistakes as Cowboys owner.
  14. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    That isn't relevant. They're just easier to look up.
  15. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    Considering that a big majority played in a different era, it was still stupid to resign Rat.
  16. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    It turned out bad but that's looking at it with hindsight. That's the whole point of this exercise. You pays your dollar and takes your chance. That resigning was driven by factors other than pure football.

    If I recently bought IBM stock and now that it took a hit, did I make a bad decision or just not one that worked out well for me?
  17. Plankton

    Plankton Well-Known Member

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    The bigger issue was that Jones extended him when he didn't need to - Ratliff was still under contract for two more years. Statistically, Ratliff was a declining player, and it was pretty clear that the extension was not one that was going to be fruitful. He had also been playing through a back injury, which for a NT is as bad an injury as you can have. Taking on double teams was only going to exacerbate that issue.

    This is the difference between being a GM and an owner of a football team in this scenario. An owner can fall in love with a player, and want to be generous. A GM needs to look at the whole puzzle, and see a declining asset for what it is, and keep his powder dry.

    In this case, the GM failed his owner. Unfortunately, in Dallas, those two are the same person.
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  18. dwight

    dwight Well-Known Member

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    Peyton Manning's production never decline; but Rats did. That's the big difference.
  19. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    I'd have to look back but I think they needed some cap relief. I'm playing devil's advocate some because its just not 100% cut and dry. Jerry definitely has his share of wish that had worked out better. A lot of this is hold over from the past esp trying to hold down something that seems to be working so he can plug the leaks somewhere else. Jerry tries too hard for the here and now when he should probably have looked at playing for a year or two in the future and trying to develop some players. This is what happens when you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole.
  20. Fritsch_the_cat

    Fritsch_the_cat Well-Known Member

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    He has. My top 5 of all time bad JJ decisions wouldn't include any player deals.

    1. Treating Tom Landry and Tex Schram like crap.

    2 Firing Jimmy Johnson

    3. Hiring Barry Switzer

    4 Not making Parcells GM

    5. Letting Sean Peyton get away.
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