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Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by masomenos, Mar 10, 2008.

  1. masomenos

    masomenos Less is more

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    This includes a trade down with one of our first round picks for an early second and an early third.

    1. CB - Antoine Cason
    2. RB - Jammal Charles (or Ray Rice, Chris Johnson)
    2. WR - Eddie Royal
    3. OL - Mike McGlynn (or Heath Benedict)
    3. DT - Ahtyba Rubin
    4. ILB - Jonathan Goff (or Beau Bell)
    5. QB - Kevin O'Connell
    6. CB - Terrence Whealtey
    7. SS - Chris Horton

    I don't think there's a whole lot of value at the end of the first round for us and I think we could get a lot of value if a guy like Brian Brohm falls to us and we execute a trade down. To me this is the kind of draft that we really need and I think it fills most, if not all, of our holes with quality players.

    Will all these players be available when we draft? I don't know. I just did it based off of where they're currently projected by NFL Draft Scout. But I would love if the draft went anything like that.
  2. dmoore

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    You really think we should trade down? I just think we have only a few needs and would be better off getting the best calibur players to fill those spots as well. I understand your point though, just don't think it's really the step we need to take. Like your picks a lot, but I'd probably want a different WR. I'd really love to have either Devin Thomas or Caldwell, though an earlier pick would probably have to be used to get one.
  3. CowboyWay

    CowboyWay If Coach would have put me in, we'd a won State

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    I've been reading alot about trading down, and I'm not on board with it. If its a trade down for a #1 pick next year then sure, count me in, but just for extra 2nds and 3rds, I just wonder if there are a whole lot of roster spots on this team for guys like that.

    For example......

    2. WR - Eddie Royal
    3. OL - Mike McGlynn (or Heath Benedict)
    3. DT - Ahtyba Rubin

    Who do you think Eddie Royal would replace? What about McGlynn?

    Just food for thought. For everyone we bring in, someone has to go bye bye.

    There's alot of talent on this team already, I'd like to hit on the first 3 picks. CB, WR and RB (in that order). If we hit on those picks, this team would be dominant. I'm not sure a bunch of 2nds and 3rds would make this team as strong.
  4. ThatsmyQB

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    More of a ZONE corner better suited for a defense like the pama 2, so I don't like the pick of Cason AT ALL!


    Depending on how early this pick is, might be too high for these guys.


    I like Royal, but we really need a future #1 W.R. out of this draft, I wouldn't mind Royal but only if we picked up a big guy in round 1 like a Malcolm Kelly if he somehow falls or a Limas Sweed or James Hardy, then I don't mind getting Royal.

    Guards not that high of a priority for me, I like Benedict, I think McGlynn os more of like a 5th rounder.


    I like him, more of a workout warrior that shot up because of his bench press at the combines.


    I don't know how many times I have said this, but we WILL NOT BE DRAFTING AN I.L.B. IN THIS DRAFT, there's simply NO ROOM for him!
    We have FIVE right now with James/Thomas/Carpenter/Ayodelle/Burnett and we are only gonna keep 4, which means Ayodelle is probably the odd man out and even with Ayodelle gone there's NO ROOM for another I.L.B.!
    Besides, is ANY 4th round I.L.B. gonna be better than our BACKUPS in Carpenter and Burnett?



    Don't mind him!

    This would be the STEAL OF THE CENTURY considering he's a 2nd round prospect and WILL NOT even make it past round 3!


    Would rather use this pick to move up in another round since I dont' think there's anymore room on our roster for a 7th rounder, either that or use it on Jake Ikegwounu if he's still here.


    I like NFL draft scout, but I think Wheatley's a 2nd rounder if not definate 3rd.
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  6. masomenos

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    I am an advocate of trading down, depending on who is left on the board. I don't think there's a large disparity in the talent level between late Rd 1 and early Rd 2 though. Especially if we're targeting a RB with that second pick then we'd really just be getting an extra pick while still drafting a guy we want. I'm not much of a fan of Thomas or Caldwell though.
  7. masomenos

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    Well Eddie Royal could replace Miles Austin as both a KR and a WR at the very least. He could also see considerable time in the slot if Glenn doesn't work out this year. McGlynn is a really versatile player who could really project to anywhere on the OL and can even long snap so I don't think finding a spot for him would be tough, just let him battle with Berger/Proctor. And Rubin would rotate with Tank Johnson while we could possibly move Ratliff out to DE and would be insurance in case of injury or if Johnson leaves after this year. I think those could all be pretty substantial improvements and wouldn't be hard to swallow at all.

    I don't think we have to trade down but if we target a RB with that 2nd first rounder and have a couple guys rated closely together then I think it would make complete sense to drop down a few spots and pick up an extra pick in the process. You mention wanting to hit on the first three picks, but trading down 8 spots or so doesn't really have a big impact on that if we're going after a RB with that pick. It doesn't change the other first rounder and it doesn't change the position of our second rounder. I don't think we'll have a sure thing at WR staring us in the face at #28, so I really think you're jeopardizing very very little in a trade down.
  8. masomenos

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    More of a ZONE corner better suited for a defense like the pama 2, so I don't like the pick of Cason AT ALL!

    That's not true at all.

    Depending on how early this pick is, might be too high for these guys.

    Early 2nd round is too high for the 4th RB taken?

    I like Royal, but we really need a future #1 W.R. out of this draft, I wouldn't mind Royal but only if we picked up a big guy in round 1 like a Malcolm Kelly if he somehow falls or a Limas Sweed or James Hardy, then I don't mind getting Royal.


    Yeah like you said there's not a much of a chance for Kelly to be there when we pick and I have my doubts about Hardy being there. Sweed is a very talented player but is kind of a slacker and is actually still pretty raw, I don't have a whole lot of confidence in him becoming a #1 in the future.

    Guards not that high of a priority for me, I like Benedict, I think McGlynn os more of like a 5th rounder.


    We only have three guards on the roster, one we've never really seen play and the other is a solid, but average player. I think OG could use some help. And why is McGlynn a 5th rounder to you? His terrific combine? His terrific senior season where he had a blocking consistency score of 86.25%? His versatility?

    I like him, more of a workout warrior that shot up because of his bench press at the combines.

    Not just a workout warrior but a guy who is noted for always giving great effort and is really the kind of block eating DT needed in the 34.

    I don't know how many times I have said this, but we WILL NOT BE DRAFTING AN I.L.B. IN THIS DRAFT, there's simply NO ROOM for him!
    We have FIVE right now with James/Thomas/Carpenter/Ayodelle/Burnett and we are only gonna keep 4, which means Ayodelle is probably the odd man out and even with Ayodelle gone there's NO ROOM for another I.L.B.!
    Besides, is ANY 4th round I.L.B. gonna be better than our BACKUPS in Carpenter and Burnett?

    We've been showing interest in ILB, which makes sense considering Zach Thomas is coming off of a season filled with concussion issues, Ayodele is an average player, Burnett is always getting nicked up and Carpenter has, unfortunately, shown nothing.

    This would be the STEAL OF THE CENTURY considering he's a 2nd round prospect and WILL NOT even make it past round 3!

    I agree it would be a steal, but look at his ranking on draft sites. ::shrugs:: Like I said I was just slotting them where they were projected as going.


    Would rather use this pick to move up in another round since I dont' think there's anymore room on our roster for a 7th rounder, either that or use it on Jake Ikegwounu if he's still here.


    Who's the backup SS if Keith Davis leaves? We have to have something there and Horton is a guy who also actuall yenjoys playing special teams.
  9. DaBoys4Life

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    Man masom im really liking this mock draft. We got the best CB a more than solid RB a nice WR to replace glenn and help on Special teams a massive DT that would improve our D line. I don't know who that QB is however i guess Romo will need a back up.
  10. masomenos

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    Glad you like it! Like I said, it was just for fun and I'm sure the real draft won't play out anything like that, but I sure would be happy if it did lol
  11. DaBoys4Life

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    yea theres really no way for our draft to be poor this year we might disagreeing with some of the players taken but we do need depth at certain positions. I know the draft wouldn't play out like this however its very U bias

    1 Kenny Phillips
    1 Calasis Campbell
    2 Tavares Gooden

    I wouldn't complain about the da U :bow: ;)
  12. ThatsmyQB

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    Um, YES IT IS!





    What does him being the 4th R.B. have to do with ANYTHING??
    You mention THREEE R.B.'s to take with that early 2nd rounder and most likely ALL THREE will still be there and I SAID depends on how early the pick is, all I'm saying is why not trade down if ALL THREE of the R.B.'s you mention are still on the board is all.





    I see a few red flags with Sweed as well, I would just rather use a W.R. pick on a future guy, but I don't mind Royal.




    I agree Guard could be upgraded but Kosier is solid but I would like more of a MAULER type guy, I have McGlynn as a 5th rounder based on the many sites I visited that had him ranked roughly 5th rounder is all, didnt' see many if at all sites that had him ranked as a 3rd rounder.





    He's just that though IMO, a block eating N.T. without making many plays himself, and I think Phillips wants guys to penetrate more than just the BIG GUY prototypical N.T., hence us signing Ratliff to a nice deal and keeping Tank and shipping Ferguson to Miami, although I always like the bigger guys myself too, I really don't have a problem with the pick I guess.



    Where did you see that we were showing interest in I.L.B.?
    Bottom line, thomas and James are DEFINATELY gonna be on our team and Burnett is DEFINATELY gonna be here and Carpenter certainly will be here if only for teh big cap hit we'd take be getting rid of him, that's 4 I.L.B.'s and that's all we're gonna keep, 4, so I just don't see any room o nthe roster for a 5th I.L.B. and since we have 4 set in stone already with Ayodelle the odd man out, there's simply no room for one is all.




    That's pretty much the only site that has him that low, most everyone else after the combines moved him up, he was basically a 3rd or 4th rounder prior to the combines, and after running a 4.37 and is a pure cover corner, I think he moved into round 2.





    If Davis leaves, I'm not sure I'd want a 7th rounder replacing him anyway and if need be just bring in a few undrafted safeties since there's only a few picks after our 7th rounder till the draft is over and we can get whoever we want anyway, so we might as well trade the pick away to move up a few spots in round 6 to get our guy cause like I said, what's the chances of someone picking after our selection in round 7 the guy we'd take in round 7?
    Meaning we could probably get our guy in round 7 anyways without using the draft pick by just signing him after the draft as a free agent.
  13. ThatsmyQB

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    I'd PUKE if that was our draft, we get a safety we might not need, a D.E. not really suited for the 3-4, and an I.L.B. in round 2 would probably get our scouting director FIRED IMMEDIATELY and I'd DEMAND a drug test for Jerry Jones!
  14. L-O-Jete

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    Davis HAS left and we own the 1st pick in the 6th so we cannot move up in the 6th.
    the 7th rounder will be the UFA you don't want to haggle with other teams over, most 7th rounders are cheaper than some UFA.
  15. ThatsmyQB

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    But we can move up from the 1st pick in ruond 6 to a late 5th, correct?

    The price difference is so minimal that it won't affect anything though!
    They only get at MOST like $50,000 adn usually less about $15,000-$30,000 and I don't even think that counts towards the cap unless he's on our roster opening day.
    No one's sure we're gonna use our 7th rounder on a SS anyway, all I'm saying is that late of a pick probably wont' make the team so I'd trade it or use it to move up with one ofour other picks to get our guy is all.
  16. L-O-Jete

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    http://www.drafttek.com/tradechart.html
    2.6 Pts will move you up 5 spots to...basically our pick in the 5th... You really think you have someone so exactly pegged?
    The price difrence can just be added bonus, the main idea is you don't risk losing him to another team.
    The draft is risky, the more shots you take the more chances you have of finding something. Ratliff, Reeves, Crayton all 7th rounders integral to last season, many are calling for McQuistan to start another 7th rounder...
    This site has us getting Stanford Keglar http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/stanford-keglar?id=2680 with that 7th you dismiss http://www.drafttek.com/round72008.html
    I'd be dancing a jig for getting him in the seventh.
  17. ThatsmyQB

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    ****, R U SERIOUS????????????????
    NlO, how on EARTH can I make the correct analysis that we'll have someone we like to move up 5 spots in round 6, GIVE ME A FREAKIN BREAK!
    All I said was I'd use the 7th rounder to move up couple spots in another round or even trade it for a 6th next year, I just don't' think we need the 7th that bad is all, your taking somethign SO MINIMAL and MEANINGLESS and turning it into a mindbogglign science/math problem!


    BINGO, so would you rather move up a few spots and take our 6th rounder and move into late 5th to make sure NO ONE TAKES YOUR GUY?
    Much higher of a chance someone takes your guy in round 5 late then late round 7, and the player is probably gonna be better higher up and worth more to not lose him to another team.


    And for as many Ratliffs and Craytons, we also find Romo's and Everson Walls also after the draft is over!
    If your dancing a jig for getting a 7th rounder then I think you know more than any scout I ever met in my life to get so excited over a 7th rounder and
    crave that 7th round pick so bad your'e not willing to use it to trade up in another round it must be ONE HELL OF A PLAYER! LOL

    STANFORD KEGLAR round 7 pick for the cowboys!
    Here's what they said about him "
    </H2>WELL WELL, had I KNOWN we'd get a PRIMARILY RESERVE L.B. who wasn't overly productive college player who's solid enough to COMPETE for a roster spot, I take it all back, we'd be FOOLISH to trade our 7th rounder to move up in anohter round to ensure we get another player we really like before someone gets him, WHAT THE HELL WAS I THINKING!
    WOW, I'd be DANCING a JIG if we could draft a 7th rounder who culd possibly compete for a roster spot, I see where you're coming from now.

    P.S. I hope you noticed the sarcasm! :)
  18. L-O-Jete

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    The point is our 7th will only get you those 5 spots at the top of the 6th or 4 spots at the end of the 5th or a whooping 2 spots in the fourth, that is the trade value! Wouldn't you rather get an extra body in camp?



    If you only have one guy left with a 5th round grade which you know one of the 5 teams ahead is going to grab yes




    And for as many Ratliffs and Craytons, we also find Romo's and Everson Walls also after the draft is over!
    If your dancing a jig for getting a 7th rounder then I think you know more than any scout I ever met in my life to get so excited over a 7th rounder and
    crave that 7th round pick so bad your'e not willing to use it to trade up in another round it must be ONE HELL OF A PLAYER! LOL

    STANFORD KEGLAR round 7 pick for the cowboys!
    Here's what they said about him "
    </H2>WELL WELL, had I KNOWN we'd get a PRIMARILY RESERVE L.B. who wasn't overly productive college player who's solid enough to COMPETE for a roster spot, I take it all back, we'd be FOOLISH to trade our 7th rounder to move up in anohter round to ensure we get another player we really like before someone gets him, WHAT THE HELL WAS I THINKING!
    WOW, I'd be DANCING a JIG if we could draft a 7th rounder who culd possibly compete for a roster spot, I see where you're coming from now.

    P.S. I hope you noticed the sarcasm! :)[/QUOTE]

    And Everson was back in the day of 12 rounds or more, and Larry Brown was a 12th, and Lett a 7th, the point is there are a lot of good players after the "first 250" are picked, why would you want to throw away a sure shot at one of them.
    And I concentrated on this Defensive leader - smart player who makes the calls. ... Chases plays down the field and from sideline to sideline. ... Athletic enough to drop into a deep zone pretty quickly.
    I recomend you keep an eye on this guy, even if he's a pet cat of mine.
  19. ThatsmyQB

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    NOPE, we can get all the bodies we need after the draft, I'd rather trade up a few spots in one of the other rounds to make sure no one else takes the guy we have targeted!



    SO THERE'S YOR ANSWER, I guess you AGREE then! LOL




    Quote:

    Cause in all likelyhood whoever we draft at pick # whatever in round 7 is still gonna be there anyway after the draft and Jerry can afford to pay more to get the guys to come here anyway.



    I will, just busting your balls alittle to make my point is all nothing personal!
    I am just saying if we got a guy who we really like in round 5 or 6 and we think he's a very good player, I'd trade up to get him to ensure we get the guy we want instead of picking whoever's left over when we pick is all.
    I personally wouldn't mind trading all our 5-7 picks to get an extra 4th rounder because I want more QUALITY then QUANTITY at this point of this team the wya they are since there's only gonna be a very small limited number of players from the draft to make this team and the later round picks unlike other years when we had a bad roster are probably not gonna make the team.

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