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Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

Discussion in 'Sports Zone' started by Doomsday101, Mar 26, 2014.

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  1. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    You just perfectly described professional sports.

    That means a scholarship is now compensation, so momma's going to have to foot that $10K per year tax bill. Same for Suzy on the golf team and Bob the bowler. That'll shut a lot of athletes out of college right there.

    And what about the student working in the university research department? Does he now get compensated for the discoveries made on behalf of the university? Are all scholarships now taxable?

    Athletics help to keep the cost down for all students. Get ready for skyrocketing tuition. And I can't get over your "finite value of education" comment. Not sure even what to do with that.

    And the worst effect will be the impact on high school athletics. If college now means $200,000 salaries for top recruits, then the AAU is going more to be more corrupt than ever before and high schools are going to be under more scrutiny than ever regarding how they manage the careers of their participants.

    The domino effect of this is endless. And the end result won't even be recognizable.
  2. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    How do antitrust laws impact universities or the NCAA?
  3. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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  4. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    That's in place to regulate schools from creating an unfair playing field among each other.

    Yep, that'll be gone, too. There'll be one superconference, while the Texas Techs and New Mexicos bow out altogether eventually. You think North Dakota State can afford to pay its athletes?
  5. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    Its really easy to figure out what to do with it. Did you go to college? Did you get a bill? The place where you stayed, was there a bill associated with that? How about your food? Did you pay for that? Take all of the living expenses as well as what it costs to go to school and add it up. Is that a finite number? Bravo!

    I also notice your communist outlook on student athletes be used to make things cheaper for everyone else.

    The slippery slope argument is baseless fear mongering. Unrecognizable? They changing the rules of the game now? The thing is that you don't know what it will look like so you wring your hands but uncertainty is not basis for panic.
  6. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    We don't even know what the pay scales would be or anything. You are being melodramatic. Rosters sizes are what they are.
  7. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Bad part is as some school who are not big money making schools shut down their programs it is the kids who get hurt. Kids who without the benefit of a scholarship will not be able to attend college.
  8. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I don't think he is and this is not a professional occupation these are students. You can't just come in a play football or basketball you are required to go to class to make the grade. This is not a profession, vast majority will never play at the next level
  9. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    Again, we don't know what the pay scales would be. I have a little more faith in todays college students than you do apparently.
  10. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    Do you know what mututally exclusive means? One can be both a student and an employee. This is semantic games you are playing.

    You can call them whatever you want but ESPN is paying the SEC schools to watch the players. The tickets at Darryl Royal Stadium are paid for in cash to watch those players. The schools make money on the basis of what those kids do. It is what it is.
  11. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    You're talking about hard costs. I'm talking about the value thereafter. So we're just on different wavelengths regarding the value of education. Misunderstanding there.

    The rest is not fearmongering. Unions spread like malignant cancer until they suck the life out of the business they oppose. It works OK for pro sports, but that's because the leagues are single entities. In colleges, however, each institution will likely have its own union, so the rules could be different at every school. That negates the NCAA altogether. If this gets to the Supreme Court, the NCAA is finished.

    I'm a capitalist, and this isn't capitalist thinking, I realize. However, collegiate sports can't operate on a truly capitalistic basis without eating its own.

    Therefore, the scene will be unrecognizable because collegiate sports will completely cease to exist as we've known it. Most university budgets simply can't absorb a unionized athletic program and will drop athletics altogether.

    The purest answer is simple: minor leagues for each sport, and no college scholarhip sports of any kind.
  12. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    No I see students being lead but some union chiefs and lawyers who don't give a damn about anything but the money they put in their own pocket. College football has been talking about giving student athletes money since it is almost impossible for them to play, go to class and work and I'm all for it but unlike Pro Sport players would all get the same amount not big money for the QB and this kid over here gets leftovers. There is nothing good about making college football unionized, again this is not a business like Ford or Apple or some other corporation it is centers of higher education. Many that are state funded and not private like Northwestern or ND
  13. Doomsday101

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    Yes and the benefits to the kids is to get an education that without football they likely would never get a chance to have. This is not semi pro it is college where kids go and learn. Yes they make money that money goes back into these programs and to other sports. Most will leave school for the business world not pro sports and that diploma allows them a big opportunity to succeed in life.
  14. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Even without unions in college sports there are many programs that due to cost have been dropped.
  15. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    The thing that you guys are failing to see is how this works out. If the student athletes organize an collectively bargain with the NCAA then their constituents are not just going to be the football teams.

    To me the next step is clear, some kid from Standford or Notre Dame needs to sue the NCAA. That is going to force the NCAA to collectively bargain and then there will be a mad rush of students athletes trying to get in on it. The thing is already in the hands of the NLRB and that is what they do.

    I would hope at the end of the day, the student athletes that currently are being subsidized get a seat at the table. However this turns out its going to be over the course of a decade that it unfolds.
  16. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    So Fuzzy, I'm unclear here. Did you read the findings or did you not? If so, what did you read in the findings that would lead you to believe my opinion is ill informed or that I am grasping at straws?
  17. FuzzyLumpkins

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    You are talking about something that is of personal value to you. That is great and all but I look to objective measures. At the end of the day you are looking at it as an investment.

    And I am sorry but you are ignoring history. I have read a whole lot of sports law over the years. It's a hobby that I picked up during the various strikes and lockouts. All of the 'firms will fail' arguments were used in every sport. Its a go to argument. I look at the leagues now and I can only shake my head.

    This does not have to be bend over the NCAA time. The college presidents can agree or not agree to whatever they like. Those kids deserve a seat at that particular table. All of them. This condescending BS about whats good for them while those same presidents make billions of dollars is wrong.
  18. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    I cannot find it. I will have to go back and look as to what I was speaking of specifically. I am having three conversations in this thread.
  19. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I don't really think historical arguments apply here. In the past, the continuity point was that everybody wanted the Sport to continue on. In this case, I don't think we will see that. I think we will see all but the Power Schools and perhaps some of the Major Independents want to get out of the business of College Athletics. That's a different thought process.
  20. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    You don't understand the position the NCAA is in. This is an excellent article.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/co...0327/ncaa-athletes-union-ruling-northwestern/

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