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Lawrence could star for Cowboys

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by waving monkey, Jun 24, 2014.

  1. CyberB0b

    CyberB0b Village Idiot

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    The one thing they did well was generating a lot of turnovers.
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  2. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    I'll take +8 over what we have had on average recently. I'd like even more but I can be greedy at times.
  3. Rogerthat12

    Rogerthat12 DWAREZ

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    I love the kid already, Mickey was doing an interview with him right after he was drafted, DL said "I just wanna kill the QB", we need that type of aggression around here on defense!
  4. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Was listening to Charlie Casserly's review of Lawrence after the draft and he said after watching a lot of tape on him he wasn't very impressed. He said he does play faster than his 40 time indicates but he didn't see him make a lot of plays. He said he thought he could be a good situational player but that's about it. Granted it's only one experts opinion only time will tell. Jerry did admit the Cowboys over paid to move up for Lawrence. He was a need pick which can lead to a reach we'll just have to wait and see how he develops.
  5. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Kiss of death.
  6. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    What makes you think that? His last 4 years in Chicago 3 of which he was the DC he never had a player produce more than 11.5 sacks and that was Julius Peppers. Peppers and Israel Idonije who are both approaching their mid 30's are the only defensive players that provided more than 8 sacks in a season in the 4 years Marinelli was in Chicago. What young pass rushers have developed under him since he left Tampa in 05? Lawrence will be judged on sacks just like Ware or any edge rusher.
  7. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    That's a good point. But I hope people are going to look at his run defense as well as his pass rush. I love sacks but we need pressure. A team can game plan for a rusher as well as a significant pass rush. But they have to do that at an expense. They will have to get the ball out quickly, throw some away, and it takes some longer developing routes out of the game plan not to mention helps the DBs and LBers immensely. So to me pressure is what counts although I do love me some sacks.
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  8. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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  9. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    You would hope people will look at everything but most fans get fixated on the number of sacks pass rushers get. It's something that shows up in the stat column every week and DE's and OLB's will always be judged on their sack totals not just by the fans and the media but by their own team. Let's not kid ourselves Clowney went #1 overall to get to the QB. Sacks equate to success as an edge rusher because they're put in a position to pin their ears back and get to the QB. With all the passing offenses are doing defenses are loading up on pass rushers and sending them after the QB. Ware has been judged on his sacks the past 2 seasons which is one of the main reasons he's no longer here. His sack totals that had been declining the past 2 seasons no longer warranted the money he was making. He brought a lot more to the table than just sacks. He was good against the run and even last season while playing injured he provided some pressure on the QB.

    Pressures can impact a game just as much if not more than a sack because they cause int's and errant throws that stop drives. Once a pass rushers sack totals start to decline that player is viewed as being in decline. Like Ware Jared Allen's sack totals declined the past 2 seasons causing Minn to move on from him. The same happened to Dwight Freeney his sack totals declined 3 straight seasons and the Colts moved on from him. Usually when a players sacks start to decline so do their pressures because the two go hand in hand. If they're not getting as many sacks they're probably not providing the same amount of pressure they once did. Lawrence will be put in a position to get to the QB and he's going to be judged on his sack totals. Maybe not so much his first year because he's a young player but his future will depend on how often he plants the QB.
  10. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    We moved on from Ware because we weren't going to throw that much money at someone with health issues who's going to be 32 yo when the season starts.

    But I agree many just count sacks although I think lots of football fans appreciate pressure. I think most teams understand pressure and sacks well.
  11. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    It is VERY unlikely we can do that much better; that recovered fumble % was not far I believe from an NFL record. The chances of that happening again? Slim to none.
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  12. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    We moved on from Ware due to his injury issues that were causing him to lose his effectiveness/production which made the Cowboys look harder at his age. His production had been declining the past 2 seasons due to not being able to stay healthy and he's going to be 32. He put up 4 sacks and an int in his first 3 games last season before the injury bug bit him again. Jerry resigned Lee despite an injury history dating back to college that had him missing 13 games in his first 3 seasons with the Cowboys now that contract has blown up in his face.

    I stated on this board prior to Lee's season ending ACL that I didn't like the idea of resigning him. I would have waited until he played out his contract to see if he could stay healthy. No team would have offered Lee the farm with him missing games every season. It was his injury history that caused him to fall in the draft and the injuries he's had as a pro would have kept teams away from him in free agency.
  13. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    I agree.
  14. Floaty

    Floaty Well-Known Member

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    What people need to keep in mind is D-Law was drafted to take over for Spencer ...not Ware. If people expect him to come in here and put up 18-20 sacks....they are gonna be disappointed. IMO we'll get Ware's replacement in next years draft.....It's loaded w/ DEs.
  15. noshame

    noshame Who wouldn't follow me?

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    He'll be a super edge rusher but as always, it will be how he plays the run that makes him super or a situational player. As far as turnovers go, this aggressive defense will do well, but being young, we'll give up some big plays in the process. I do think this defense has the potential to become a top 10 before the season's over. I think if we had continued the aggressive play last year, even with all the injuries, we could have finished in the top 20, a swarming defense can cover a lot of flaws. But that's all on Monty, that's why he got the boot.
  16. dogunwo

    dogunwo Waves that make you sea-sick

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    Points against can also be misleading. Suppose Tony throws a pick at our own 30 yard line. The defense then holds the other team to three and out and no yards gained. Then they hit a 47 yard FG. Should the defense really be held accountable for those points? It's best to look at all measures in context.
  17. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    Agreed.
  18. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    take off the rose colored glasses and drink some water.
  19. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    He was drafted as a WDE not SDE AFAIK. Crawford, Bass, Spencer can play SDE IMO.
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  20. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I agree we will face seahawks, 9ers, Texans, Bears and Eagles all teams who are good at running the ball. Being a top defensive player is more than sacks alone.

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