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Lieberman ‘on McCain short-list’

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by Danny White, Aug 10, 2008.

  1. Danny White

    Danny White Winter is Coming

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    I really can't believe that McCain would be this stupid, but you never know.

    I heard last week that Rep. Eric Cantor (VA) was getting serious consideration. As is Portman (OH).

    But if I had to put my money on one guy, it'd have to be Gov. Pawlenty of Minnesota.

  2. ologan

    ologan Well-Known Member

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    Why is he stupid for even considering Lieberman? Hell,had Joe Lieberman been the Democratic presidential candidate four years ago,I would have voted for him instead of GW.
  3. Danny White

    Danny White Winter is Coming

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    Because Republicans -- in droves -- would refuse to vote for McCain.

    I think it would lead to an epic drubbing.

    I'm curious to see how many Republicans here on the board would vote for a McCain/Lieberman ticket.
  4. bbgun

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    I respect Lieberman. Like McCain, he never gave up on our mission in Iraq, but this ticket would only make sense if McCain were a conservative. He isn't, so he can't afford to be "exotic."
  5. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    Have to agree with bb. If McCain had a safe reputation with conservatives he could do this; but he doesn't. Bush Sr found out what happens to a Republican candidate if you piss off the conservatives. McCain is no dumby; he will pick someone conservative for VP.
  6. iceberg

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    die hards maybe.

    but would you gain back the middle "undecided" in droves for stepping across the lines and not just giving it lip service and hoping my side beats your side in the same fight for the same thing. again.

    i'd be more inclined to like mccain if he did this.
  7. bbgun

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    Generally speaking, you add a veep to increase your chances of winning an important state or region. I'm not even sure a Bush/Lieberman ticket would carry the state of Connecticut for the GOP.
  8. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed Zone Supporter

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    probably not. but i'd like to see the shakeout. : )
  9. Danny White

    Danny White Winter is Coming

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    I may be wrong on this... I tend to run with a crowd that is more "conservative first, Republican second" ... but I think a Lieberman pick would completely and pretty much irrevocably split McCain from the conservative base.

    It may win him some middle-of-the-road votes, but I don't see how a Republican candidate could expect to be elected President without locking in Republican support.

    I also think he would have a very difficult time governing (if he won) after pulling a move like that. Lieberman would have no pull whatsoever with the Dems after that, so I don't think it would win McCain brownie points from the Dems... and McCain's support from the conservative wing from the party would be seriously damaged.


    Again, I don't think it's going to happen... I think McCain is just floating this as a possibility to make himself seem more like a consensus builder.

    Like I said before, I'm predicting Pawlenty with Cantor as a dark horse.
  10. bbgun

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    Oops. Make that McCain/Lieberman.
  11. arglebargle

    arglebargle Well-Known Member

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    What kind of conservative is Pawlenty? What are the high points as Minnesota Governor?

    I think the Liebermann thing would be a bad idea as well. But I don't like Lieberman much as it is anyway. It would be odd to see him kill the campaigns of two different parties' presidential candidates though...
  12. iceberg

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    you're probably right. there are a lot of people out there who stay among party lines of familiarity and simply won't see beyond it. this way or no way.

    i like the idea of tweaking the noses of those people but yes, that carries a price of making it harder to work with them and if in the end both alienate their bases, the challenge of being effective just went through the roof.

    i've voted nothing but repub since the reagan days. but i like liberman and his commen sense approach i've seen from him. granted, i've not made a life study of the man but my impression of him was favorable.

    i don't see things (anymore) as conservative, liberal, repub, democrat, neocon and the like. i see a group of people that need to find a way to work together and use their differences as strengths, not barriers.
  13. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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    I like Joe Lieberman.

    He is a very good man.

    But he is not a Conservative.

    If Obama gets Powell to be his vice President ...... then watch out.
  14. PosterChild

    PosterChild New Member

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    Look who's talking. McCain is what, about 5'6" or so? He should just lay off Lieberman.
  15. Danny White

    Danny White Winter is Coming

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    He's more conservative than McCain, I'd say, but not a die-hard that's going to get conservatives excited and mobilized.

    When you're looking at voting blocs, I don't see who he really helps with, because he doesn't have an easily-identifiable ideological constituency.

    He is pro-life, which is good, and generally socially conservative.

    He was raised Catholic, but has recently become an Evangelical.

    He shares some of McCain's "maverick" traits, including his acceptance of global warming rhetoric and is supportive of the government doing certain things to "rein in" global warming.

    The two biggest things in his favor is that he's from a potential swing state. And second, he's been loyal to McCain all throughout the primary process.

    I don't hate him as a choice, but I'm not wild about him either. The main reason I'm predicting him is that I've heard several McCain people talk him up and I've heard his name mentioned too often now to think it's a smokescreen.
  16. iceberg

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    ya know, this took me a bit. but i got it. : )
  17. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    I humbly disagree. Just the other night a buddy of mine said "why not add Lieberman?"....and this guy is very far right politcally.

    My guess is that Obama is far far left of Lieberman that it would not pull votes from McCain. Personally, I'm not sure it would be the right move though.
  18. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    lol

    Would they be the shortest ticket in history?
  19. Danny White

    Danny White Winter is Coming

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    Yeah, I may be wrong on this one.

    I know one thing, it would make my choice a lot easier!

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  20. Ben_n_austin

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    Do you mean Colin Powell? :)

    Oh, yeah. Watch out!

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