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Manny Lawson Vs. Bobby Carpenter

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by bigdrulez3141, Mar 5, 2006.

  1. bigdrulez3141

    bigdrulez3141 Member

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    If both guys fell to us witch one would you want?

    The more research i do on them i find that Carpenter would be more of a SOLB and Lawson would be a clone of Demarcus with good pass rushing skills. So who??
  2. wileedog

    wileedog Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't unhappy with either, but I think Carpenter will contribute sooner.
  3. KD

    KD Active Member

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    I would say Lawson becasue he looks to have more upside physically. Both look like fine football players though. I would love to have both Ware and Lawson blitzing on the same play opposite sides. We could move Ware to SOLB I bet.
  4. 50cent

    50cent Well-Known Member

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    Either would be great, but you might want to add Wimberly to the poll. He is slowly creeping up Kipers board, even ahead of both your pollsters.
  5. KD

    KD Active Member

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    Wimberly to N.E. is possible.
  6. SilverStarCowboy

    SilverStarCowboy The Actualist

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    Lawson, better athlete with higher cieling.
  7. demdcowboys#1

    demdcowboys#1 Well-Known Member

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    Lawson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  8. Silverstar

    Silverstar Active Member

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    Lawson and don't look back.
  9. bigdrulez3141

    bigdrulez3141 Member

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    Bobby Carpenter
    Height: 6-3 | Weight: 255 | 40-Time: 4.58

    Official Bio

    Strengths:
    Has excellent size...Is very fast and athletic...Has great instincts...Is very natural and does an excellent job in coverage...Does a nice job of filling against the run...Flies to the ball and makes plays sideline-to-sideline...Tremendous pass rusher and blitzer...Tough as nails and a true football player...Tenacious and has a great motor...Versatile player...Very productive and has a lot of experience.

    Weaknesses:
    Has some trouble shedding blocks...Is not the surest tackler...Was surrounded by a lot of talent which alleviated pressure and didn't allow the opposition to focus only on him...Can be too aggressive at times...Might not be quite as athletic as his computer numbers would lead you to believe...Needs to use his hands better.

    Notes:
    Father Rob played for the New York Giants...Saw some action at defensive end for the Buckeyes...Was overshadowed by A.J. Hawk but this guy is a top prospect in his own right...A great strongside linebacker who could also be an impact player in a 3-4 pass rushing role as well...One of the most underrated players in the draft.
  10. bigdrulez3141

    bigdrulez3141 Member

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    Manny Lawson

    Defensive End | Senior | North Carolina St.
    Height: 6-6 | Weight: 245 | 40-Time: 4.59

    Official Bio

    Strengths:
    An amazing athlete with rare ability...Has outstanding speed and quickness with a great burst...Extremely explosive...Tremendous pass rusher off the edge...Good agility and can drop into coverage...Smart player with good instincts...Good tackler...Makes plays in space...Productive and can be very disruptive...Vertical jump is higher than the device used to measure that stat...Has a lot of upside.

    Weaknesses:
    Vastly undersized...A DE / OLB 'tweener who may not have a clear position at the pro level...Struggles to defend the run...Needs to get stronger...Gets engulfed by massive offensive tackles...Doesn't always play with good leverage...Needs to use his hands better...Is he just a workout warrior?...Relies on speed heavily...Won't be a fit for every team and will need to be in the right system to succeed.

    Notes:
    Competed as a hurdler, long jumper, triple jumper and relay runner for the Wolfpack track team...The prevalence of the 3-4 defense in the NFL will likely help Lawson's case as he would seem to be a prototypical OLB is that scheme.
  11. bigdrulez3141

    bigdrulez3141 Member

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    Kamerion Wimbley
    Height: 6-4 | Weight: 255 | 40-Time: 4.65

    Official Bio

    Strengths:
    Tremendous natural athlete...Fast and very quick with a burst...Can wreak havoc rushing the passer off the edge...Does an excellent job in pursuit and can close on the ball...Changes directions well...Very productive and stood out on a talented defense...Team player with top intangibles...Is also an excellent special teams prospect...Still has a lot of upside and has not yet reached his full potential.

    Weaknesses:
    Undersized and lacks bulk...Needs to hit the weight room and get stronger...May have to change positions at the next level...Does not hold up at the point of attack...A liability against the run...Struggles to shed blockers...Is basically a one trick pony who relies solely on his speed...Needs to work on technique and make better use of his hands...May only be a situational player in the pro ranks.

    Notes:
    Could be a 3-4 outside linebacker...Entered college at only 210 lbs so he has done a good job of adding weight and has the frame to get bigger still...A classic 'tweener who a team will need to find the right role for...At the very least he should excel as a situational pass rusher and he could easily be a lot more.
  12. John813

    John813 Active Member

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    Carpenter
  13. bigdrulez3141

    bigdrulez3141 Member

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    For one of Lawsons weaknesses it says hes vastly under sized...I guess that means for a DE because he is just as ig or bigger than demarcus.
  14. Clove

    Clove Shrinkage

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    Bobby carpenter (6'3 255)
    2005: 49 tackles, 10 TFLs, 8 sacks

    Manny Lawson 6'6 245 (4.41 40)
    2005: 58 tackles, 19.5 TFL, 10.5 sacks, 14 QB hurries, 1 FF

    Kamerion Wimbley 6'2 248 4.63 40
    2005: 24 tackles, 10.5 TFL, 7.5 sacks, 4 PBU, 17 QB hurries

    I'll go with the guy with the best stats....Lawson
  15. Cowboys&Caps

    Cowboys&Caps New Member

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    Its Wimbley not Wimberly

    you can't salivate all over someone if you don't even know his name

    cmon :)
  16. BigDFan5

    BigDFan5 In Tebow I Trust

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    Lawson every day of the week
  17. Bigdog24

    Bigdog24 Well-Known Member

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    The Big descion point would be were to take who, at 18 they both are reach at this point, Havn't seen any boards with Lawson in round one and many of the boards have Carpenter going late in the first and some even in the second. I like Lawson over Carpenter only if we could trade down and get a high second round pick. IMO Carpenter will fall to a early second round pick. I could see teams making big LB grabs in the upper second round.

    18 is a ugly postion to be in, good potential players not to much immediate helpers on the table at 18
  18. proline

    proline Active Member

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    Carpenter.

    As far as Lawson goes, we already have Ware as the weak side OLB with speed rushing ability. We don't need another one, especially one who can not play DE in a 3-4 and has not proven he can play LB at a high level. Remember, Lawson did not start at LB (but did rotate in) his first two years at NCS, and then he was moved to DE. Was it to make the best use of his speed, or because he couldn't play LB? I don't know, but I would rather have somebody with proven ability who has had to read opposing offenses and react accordingly, rather than just go get the QB.
  19. CowboysNumeroUno

    CowboysNumeroUno Member

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    Thats exactly what I think. Let's get someone who we know can play linebacker very well and still rush the passer.
  20. KD

    KD Active Member

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    http://www.gbnreport.com/2006projection.html

    Has Lawson going 12 to the Browns after the Senior Bowl and before the combines.

    Ware goes what 6-4 255
    Lawson at combine was 6-5 250

    By comparison Steelers OLB's go

    Clark Haggans 6-4 243
    Joey Porter 6-3 250

    Ware could handle SOLB full time if we drafted Lawson to play WOLB. I mean why couldn't he?

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