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Mayock/Casserly - Barron top 10?

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by DBOY3141, Apr 12, 2012.

  1. DBOY3141

    DBOY3141 Well-Known Member

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    Did both Mayock and Casserly have Barron as a top 10 player in this draft? Thought I saw that over the last couple of days.

    If so, don't think he's a reach at 14 and don't think he is Roy Williams 2.0. Would love to have him stabilize this secondary.
  2. SDogo

    SDogo Not as good as I once was but as good once as I ev

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    Barron could go anywhere from 8 to 18. I get a sneaky suspicion there are several teams looking at our spot at 14 as one they have to leap in order to get him.
  3. NeonDeion21

    NeonDeion21 Well-Known Member

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    Or could they be looking at #14 as a spot to trade up to? Getting in front of the Eagles and Jets could be the thought.
  4. Gaede

    Gaede Well-Known Member

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    I get the feeling the team has been trying to distract other teams (ie. with that recent Poe tidbit) so they can downplay their interest in Barron.

    If he's there at 14, sweet. If not, I'm not gonna shed a tear. I think 14 might even be a little high for him.
  5. CATCH17

    CATCH17 1st Round Pick

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    I don't think he is great enough at any 1 thing to go top 10 so I doubt it.

    Im sure he'll be sitting there when we pick.

    The question is will Fletcher Cox be there.


    I think Cox is hands down the guy we want with Barron 2nd and Decastro a very distant 3rd. Im thinking they would rather trade down than draft Decastro.
  6. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    Im beginning to think Barron might not be there at #14.

    Whenever it was decided that safeties were non-premium positions, it was a different era.

    In 2001 there were 3 TEs in the NFL with over 700 yards receiving. In 2011 there were 14. In 2001 Tony Gonzales was far and away the most productive receiving TE with 917 yards. Both Graham and Gronkowski cracked 1300+ yards last year. That's a pretty dramatic difference for 10 years. It's hard to think of a time when QBs were throwing for over 5,200+ yards in offenses with their TEs as their primary target. If you don't have guys who can cover TEs in today's NFL, your defense is at a huge disadvantage.
  7. CATCH17

    CATCH17 1st Round Pick

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    Question SDogo


    Say the 13th team is getting calls from other teams to jump the 14th team.

    Does the 13th team ever give the 14th team a chance to match a trade?
  8. SDogo

    SDogo Not as good as I once was but as good once as I ev

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    It happens all the time, in this example the Cardinals would obviously realize there is a scramble to get ahead of either Dallas or Philadelphia and they would be silly not to call and tell them, there is some action to get ahead of them, do you want in?

    It's typically what went down when you see those trades on draft day where a team moves up 1 spot and you cant figure out why. That's usually why.
  9. cowboysooner

    cowboysooner Well-Known Member

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    I completely agree with this and if Barron is one of the guys that can take that away then he is well worth the pick.

    I'm just not sure he is one of those guys b/c he did not play many pass first offenses and did not have man responsibilities often. Earl Thomas you could be at the game and see it. He could get over and help take away a Jermaine Gresham. He would get matched up against a slot receiver from Tech and hold up just fine. Alabama plays a ton of 2 deep. It is not a certainty that Barron has those skills. It is a leap of faith. I will say if Mayock and Casserly think its no problem then that allays some fears, but there is still more uncertainty because it is a projection.
  10. jterrell

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    The scary thing with Barron is he IS RW31. i.e. is not a pure cover guy but he is a big-time playmaker. As was RW31. Put those guys in attacking defenses and they make tons of plays. Ask them to back pedal and cover? Not sure what happens.

    Bama had 3 or 4 BETTER coverage guys than Barron. He didn't have to face any true receiving threats. In fact he played the same psuedo-LB spot at Bama that RW31 did at OU just to keep him near the ball.

    I do not think Barron is as good as being advertised right now but I could certainly be wrong. I do not KNOW that he can't cover I am just not sure he can. With that Bama defense people didn't get long to throw and usually didn't fare well trying.
  11. cobra

    cobra Salty Bastard

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    I think jterrell raises the correct point of concern.

    InmanRoshi accurately describes why safety is important given the rise of the tight end and the need for a safety to cover them. Unfortunately, the one concern with is Barron that he isn't really that kind of cover guy. He is much more of a roving, downhill playmaker type.

    Granted, I think Barron would be as good and likely better than anyone we have at that, but he certainly isn't elite. I think you have to draft Barron not expecting a coverage safety or you'll be disappointed. I'm not sure there is a real good tight-end coverage safety. If you are looking for that, Dre may be end up being better option, but I'm not sure teams are set on him being a safety.
  12. Tobal

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    Williams was a playmaker in college and he was a playmaker the first couple of yrs, Barron susposedly was more of a field general and I think that my be the biggest difference in the two guys. He also is susposed to know routes and be pretty instinctive. Williams was a 230lb guy
  13. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    No question Barron has the athletic ability to cover TEs. There just isn't a lot of tape on him doing it because Saban ran such a conservative scheme.

    Frankly, I don't get the Roy Williams comparisons to Barron at all. Roy was a 230 lbs. linebacker playing safety. Barron is a 215 lbs guy on a tall lanky frame. Roy Williams was a specialist and a one trick pony. Barron was a jack of all trades who did everything at Alabama.
  14. Deep_Freeze

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    Yeah I don't see the comparison either, Barron is a sound tackler, but doesn't bring the noise like Roy used to and they really play nothing alike. Its just the fear that if we take another safety high, he will be like Roy. I just wonder who do we think led by far the best secondary in college football, Dre.....really?!?!

    Saban's specialty is DBs and I figure JG has already picked his brain on Barron and who actually led that D. Easier to stop the run and rush the passer when you can cover the backend like Bama did last year.
  15. Cowboys22

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    RW31 was a bigtime player in the NFL for 3 or 4 years. He got his guaranteed money and quit playing football. There's no reason to think Barron would do the same. If he was the original RW31 for 7-10 years, I'd be perfectly happy with the pick.
  16. Gaede

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    Few months ago, I took all the Barron/Williams comparisons as gospel. But then I actually watched the guy and they are nothing alike. Don't understand the comparison at all.
  17. InmanRoshi

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    I really think people believe if you're not just basically a converted 195 lbs. CB then you're "just like Roy Williams". The problem is Rob Ryan likes to do a lot of different things with his safeties in packages, like play them as ILBs in dime packages, that 195 lbs. coverted CBs simply can not be asked to do.
  18. CATCH17

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    The thing is we really need more of a sideline to sideline type of Safety.

    Barron is just like what we have except better / more of a leader.
  19. jswalker1981

    jswalker1981 Fact > Your Opinion

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    Exactly. I actually see Barron being more like Darren Woodson. Woodson didn't cover like Ed Reed did (frankly, not may safeties can cover like Reed), but he was always in the right spot at the right time because he could recognize what the offense was doing. I see Barron the same way.
  20. jterrell

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    Did you watch RW31 at OU?
    He is a top 10 player in Big 12 history. Maybe top 5.

    Both guys played up in the box a lot because their teams attacked.
    They both won national titles.
    Both were team leaders.
    Both were enormous play makers.

    RW31 was considered a top 5 player who fell to us at 8 only because of position.

    He was easily considered a better prospect than Ed Reed.
    draft profile....

    Ht: 6'1"
    Wt: 219
    40-time: 4.53
    20-yard dash: 2.67
    10-yard dash: 1.62
    Vertical jump: 31"
    Broad jump: 9'7"


    REMINDS ME OF…RODNEY HARRISON, San Diego Chargers: Was the best defensive player in college football in 2001 and like Harrison, when he hits you, you hurt.

    CAREER NOTES: Holds the school's career-record with 47 pass deflections, topping the old mark 37 by Mike Woods (1996-99)…He ranks third on the Sooners' all-time record list for defensive backs with 269 tackles (188 solos)…His 29 tackles behind the line of scrimmage established a new career-record at Oklahoma, topping the old mark of 20 by Ontei Jones (1997-2000).


    Now Barron.

    Dates: 03/07/12
    Height: 6011
    Weight: 213
    40 Yrd Dash: 4.54
    20 Yrd Dash: 2.65
    10 Yrd Dash: 1.63 225 Lb. Bench Reps:
    Vertical Jump: 34 1/2
    Broad Jump: 10'02"

    Pros

    Tremendous instincts. Quickly diagnoses plays, and does a great job reading the QB
    Excellent run stuffer. Physical, and rarely misses tackles
    Superb ball skills. Has good hands, takes good angles, and times his jumps very well
    High football IQ. Always in good position, does a great job before the snap
    Great height and strength
    Wades through traffic very well, does not get hung up on blocks
    Has a great motor, competitor, hard worker on and off the field

    Cons

    Stiff hips, doesn't transition out of back pedal or change directions well
    Not very comfortable in man coverage
    Straight line speed is average
    Arrested in 2011 for lying to police

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