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McShay top 32/Kiper big board 1/3/13....

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  1. Risen Star

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    * - underclassman

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    McShay

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draf...013-nfl-draft-skill-players-continue-struggle

    1. Star Lotulelei DT Utah
    2. Damontre Moore* DE Texas A&M
    3. Chance Warmack G Alabama
    4. Luke Joeckel* T Texas A&M
    5. Barkevious Mingo* DE LSU

    6. Jarvis Jones* OLB Georgia
    7. Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame
    8. Bjoern Werner* DE Florida St.
    9. Johnathan Hankins* DT Ohio St.
    10. Sylvester Williams DT North Carolina

    11. Dee Milliner* CB Alabama
    12. Dion Jordan DE Oregon
    13. Taylor Lewan* T Michigan
    14. Jonathan Cooper G North Carolina
    15. Alec Ogletree* ILB Georgia

    16. Kenny Vaccaro S Texas
    17. Johnathan Jenkins DT Georgia
    18. Sam Montgomery* DE LSU
    19. Ezekiel Ansah* DE BYU
    20. Eric Fisher T Central Michigan

    21. Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri
    22. Johnthan Banks CB Mississippi St.
    23. Geno Smith QB West Virginia
    24. Shariff Floyd* DT Florida
    25. Justin Hunter* WR Tennessee

    26. Corey Lemonier* DE Auburn
    27. Kawann Short DT Purdue
    28. Keenan Allen* WR California
    29. Zach Ertz* TE Stanford
    30. Cordarelle Patterson* WR Tennessee
    31. Tyler Eifert TE Notre Dame
    32. Matt Barkley QB USC

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    Kiper

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8801193/2013-nfl-draft-new-quarterback-leading-class

    1. Jarvis Jones* OLB Georgia
    2. Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame
    3. Star Lotulelei DT Utah
    4. Damontre Moore* DE Texas A&M
    5. Luke Joeckel* T Texas A&M

    6. Barkevious Mingo* DE LSU
    7. Chance Warmack G Alabama
    8. Bjoern Werner* DE Florida St.
    9. Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri
    10. Alec Ogletree* ILB Georgia

    11. Jonathan Cooper G North Carolina
    12. Eric Fisher T Central Michigan
    13. Taylor Lewan* T Michigan
    14. Cordarelle Patterson* WR Tennessee
    15. Dee Milliner* CB Alabama

    16. Johnathan Hankins* DT Ohio St.
    17. Tyler Eifert TE Notre Dame
    18. Ezekiel Ansah* DE BYU
    19. Dion Jordan DE Oregon
    20. Johnathan Jenkins DT Georgia

    21. Kenny Vaccaro S Texas
    22. Mike Glennon QB North Carolina St.
    23. Sam Montgomery* DE LSU
    24. Shariff Floyd* DT Florida
    25. Alex Okafor DE Texas
  2. dwight

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    I wouldn't have a problem with Dallas selecting Sam Montgomery* DE LSU. He reminds me of Ware.
  3. Risen Star

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    If that report of the strength coach calling him out is true, I want no part of him. There are other prospects to choose from rather than take a risk on a guy who has his commitment questioned by his own college staff.
  4. dwight

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    I didn't hear that about Sam. But if that's true I don't want him to become a Cowboy. I live in Baton Rouge and I know some people that be around LSU players. I will research that.
  5. Risen Star

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  7. Risen Star

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    I was really disappointed to see that as I really liked Sam more than his more heralded teammate Mingo.
  8. dwight

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    I agree. I think Sam is better than Mingo but after reviewing your link about him makes me rethink my thoughts on drafting him. I just need Dallas to draft a good pass rusher.
  9. VACowboy

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    Warmack, Cooper or Fisher. Hankins if he falls that far.
  10. Manwiththeplan

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    I'm really hoping Taylor Lewan falls, if not Eric Fisher.

    And I also think McShay has Sylvester Williams too high, since he's 24 and will be 25 before the end of the season.
  11. chuch

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    Going to go against the grain and mention that IMO Mingo is a better OLB prospect than Montgomery. Mingo's greatest asset is his elite first step which can't be taught and is in given further emphasis by Montgomery's unusually slow get off. However, outside of speed rushing and a decent spin move Mingo's pass rushing arsenal is lacking, which isn't surprising since he's only been playing football for 5 years and DE since joining LSU. Mingo also looks a lot more fluid in space than Montgomery whose gait appears lumbering and labored.

    Statistically Mingo's season would look much different if he could only finish tackles when he gets into position to do so. It's not as if he's regularly getting shut down, he just hasn't closed the deal when the opportunity has presented itself. This can be seen multiple times in nearly every game this year. The severity of this issue is dependent on how coachable the problem is. The sooner he can fix this issue and improve his hand usage the sooner he'll be full time starter on Sundays.
  12. Risen Star

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    I don't think anybody questions whether Mingo is the better athlete. He just hasn't produced to the hype. Rarely do you see those kinds of players flourish in the NFL.

    He's a boom or bust type pick, IMO. If he's around late in the 1st or 2nd round, I'm interested. As early as most project him? I wouldn't do it.
  13. tm1119

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    Really want 1 of these 2 guys to fall- John Hankins or Taylor Lewan

    If not 1 of these 3 should be there- Sheldon Richardson, Eric Fisher or Chance Warmack

    Unlikely scenario that all 5 are gone- Shariff Floyd or Jonathan Cooper....or take calls on trading back

    Thats pretty much how my draft would go as of right now....1 of Hankins, Lewan, Richardson, Fisher, or Warmack at #18 and I'd be very happy.
  14. xwalker

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    This.^
  15. newlander

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    another draft, another CB or WR taken I'm sure in the first:rolleyes:



    ....There are ALOT MORE DT'S than Off. Guards and we need both:



    I'm thinking Warmack and Cooper will be gone at 18 for our OFF. Guard needs so that leaves a DT as Rising Star is talking about:

    I've seen a few play and a couple in person: Short of Purdue is intriguing talent wise but like most Purdue players (yeah, like Spencer) he's inconsistent. I saw Hankins of OSU play alot and he's very good but I have a real concern with his conditioning: baby bull but.....he could lose some weight. I also like Jenkins of UGA but of course he was academically inelgible for their bowl game. Richardson of Mizzou is high on Kiper's list, but not McShay's: dunno why.


    .........I think we should roll the dice with Jenkins of UGA or Hankins of OSU: thoughts on Kenny Vaccaro would be appreciated: I only saw him play in their bowl game and he looked solid: gosh I want a good, young safety if we can't get an interior lineman
  16. dools

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    7 DT's....Have to get one this year!
  17. JerryFan

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    If I had to say I'd say that's Photoshoped. The players list is classic Photoshop IMO.
  18. Risen Star

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    Could very well be. I never looked into it to see if it was legit.
  19. Tezz

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    Surfing the web a little and the list looks legit... I view the list as more of a motivational tool given the length of it. Teams will do their research if there are red flags as Montgomery, Spencer Ware and Tharold Simon have declared for the draft on that list.
  20. a_minimalist

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    Have either one of them projected where DT Jesse Williams will fall yet?

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