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Melton Deal vs Hatcher Deal

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by ABQcowboyJR, Mar 20, 2014.

  1. Califan007

    Califan007 Well-Known Member

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    No, I just have a much better understanding of how the Skins will be playing Hatcher than apparently you do. It's amazingly over-simplistic to claim Hatcher will be little more than a 3-4 DE.
  2. Pessimist_cowboy

    Pessimist_cowboy Well-Known Member

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    Lol no way . I know we are all trying to feel a bit better after losing ware and hatch . If you want to fool yourself go ahead . He won't come close to what hatcher did for us last year .

    I'm sure that's why Marinelli wanted hatcher signed over anyone else
  3. Pessimist_cowboy

    Pessimist_cowboy Well-Known Member

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    You hit the nail on the head . Some are still stinging from losing ware and hatch . You can't compare this guy . Torn knee , habitual drunk , unmotivated etc . Good player ? Yes but not in the same league .
  4. AsthmaField

    AsthmaField Outta bounds

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    You can tell me what you think, but you can't tell me what I think. I didn't particularly want us to keep Hatcher. It was the position that he played that allowed him to get so many sacks, IMO.

    Melton is a better 3-Tech for this defense IMO and he is 5 years younger.
  5. AsthmaField

    AsthmaField Outta bounds

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    LOL, okay. Regale me with stories of him playing DT on passing downs, and generating pressure from DE in the base.

    We will see how he does without Marinelli's 3-tech spot, won't we?

    Come back after the season and we can talk about it then. I will have no trouble saying you're correct if it is so.
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  6. Pessimist_cowboy

    Pessimist_cowboy Well-Known Member

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    Thumbs up . I guess we will all be counting on Melton for 12 sacks since it's just the position he will be playing .
  7. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    He'll get you 4 - 4.5 sacks as a 3-4 end. Might get lucky like Stephen Bowen and have a 6 sack year -- who you guys also overpaid.

    Stephen Bowen
    2011 6 sks
    2012 1 sks
    2013 0 sks

    Hatcher
    2011 4.5 sks
    2012 4 sks
    2013 11 sks
  8. gimmesix

    gimmesix Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life

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    I've read that he was the No. 1-rated DT against the run in 2012, so I guess we're reading different articles.
  9. Vintage

    Vintage The Cult of Jib

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    Hatcher was a good player for us as a 3-4 end. And he had an even more dominating season last year as a 3T. No need to deny that. Redskins signed a good player.
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  10. Corleone

    Corleone Well-Known Member

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    Here's the way I see it:

    Hatcher got paid a lot of money after dominating at the 3T in a 4-3 and now he's moving positions again to be a majorly run stopping DL. They aren't really getting his true value this way. He's also 31 or 32. If he doesn't work out, they have to keep him unless they wanna take cap hits.

    Melton got paid minimal money for a one year contract. The Cowboys essentially have his "Byrd rights" so if he balls out and gets back to form all they have to do is keep him, they don't have to go and try to outbid for him or risk losing him because he won't be a FA. Oh and if he does get back to form, you have a dominant 3T in his prime for market value or cheaper and will be thrilled to pay him. If he doesn't pan out, he likely didn't meet incentives which keeps his salary down and Dallas simply need cut him and no harm done.

    I like(d) Hatch and I'm glad he got paid, he worked hard for us and did well but we got younger and much more potential with no financial risks. Overpaying old guys is how we got into this mess in the first place.
  11. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    No doubt about that, I promise many of the same hollering now would be sayign there goes Jerry paying a guy on the downhill side of his career. One thing I notice with some is they will complain no matter what Dallas does. Sign Hatcher it was bad, let Hatcher leave that is bad there is no pleasing some so why bother paying much attention t them.
  12. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    and if he plays damn good then pay the man, Dallas is getting him for a steal this season if he proves he is fully recovered and producing then we end up with a pro bowl caliber player. Yes it is a lot of money good players get paid a lot of money. Hatcher is getting paid alot as well but he is getting long in the tooth.
  13. EGG

    EGG Well-Known Member

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    And there you have it in a nutshell. The Jay Ratliff fiasco is too fresh a memory for Jerry to repeat the mistake, especially for an extremely late bloomer with one good year under his belt,,, and in a contract year no less,,,, the red flags are everywhere.
  14. Yakuza Rich

    Yakuza Rich Well-Known Member

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    They will be playing him in the same fashion that Wade and Ryan played him. 1-tech in the 3-4 scheme.

    He was a really good 3-4 DE under Ryan. Very underappreciated. But, he's not going to rack up the sacks and pressures in the 3-4 as he would in the 4-3. And at age 32 he wasn't going to get that type of $$$ from anybody in either scheme until the Redskins...our psychotic ex-girlfriend...had to come along and go bonkers and sign him to an outrageous deal. It's not like they've never done this before.




    YR
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  15. morasp

    morasp Well-Known Member

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    Hatcher's age is a real factor. He only missed one game but he couldn't even raise his arm above shoulder height. We'll see how he holds up this year but if we had signed him for big money I would be crossing my fingers that he would stay healthy and not get nicked up and lose his effectiveness like Ware last year.
  16. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    And Hatcher has had issues throughout his career with nagging injuries that reduce his playing time.
  17. Califan007

    Califan007 Well-Known Member

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    Before I respond, let me ask you: how did Wade use Hatcher in your eyes?

    As for the "outrageous deal" the Skins gave Hatcher, I already went over that on the other page lol...it almost exactly matched some of the deals Cowboys fans were saying would be good deals to keep him in Dallas, with other D fans chiming in on how good those proposed deals were to them as well.
  18. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    +1 for the use of the word "regale". :)
  19. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Well, you can expect anything but what you get are often two very different things. The most sacks Melton has ever recorded are 7 in 2011. It's possible he might get more this season but coming off injury, I would not expect that.
  20. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Not really. If we had structured the same deal, in year 3, we could simply cut the player with no cap ramifications. The Skins deal is structured so that they can get out of the deal in any year after the 1st year. But why would you, unless he's simply useless and sucking out loud? The salary for year three of the Skins deal with Hatcher is only 3 Million. That's pretty reasonable.

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