Mo or 2 top rated offensive linemen?

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by john van brocklin, Nov 21, 2012.

  1. GusTheo

    GusTheo Active Member

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    You seem to forget that this team lost 5 games last year when leading in the 4th quarter. The secondary/defense WAS A FATAL FLAW. We lose more then a few games because of it. Fortunately that doesn't seem to be the case. Realistically you can't settle everything in one off season, it's just not possible. Teams like the Pats do an awesome job of having someone waiting in the wings, but most teams aren't like that.
  2. Zordon

    Zordon Well-Known Member

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    Well that's why we got Carr. Carr and Jenkins would have made a formidable tandem IMO.

    Also you can say that the oline prevented us from running out the clock in some of the games. With a surer oline maybe those games are out of reach already by the 4th quarter?
  3. dadymat

    dadymat I'm kind of a Big Deal

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    except that Jenk was coming off shoulder surgery and his future was unknown, and has injury problems
  4. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    Well you nailed it there. It's much harder to close out a game when you have no ability whatsoever to create any push in the run game.

    I literally can't remember the last time we had an offensive line that could do that.
  5. Jake0

    Jake0 Active Member

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    Not saying Mo was worth trading up for, but if we didn't have him and used the top 2 picks on OL here's the likely situation ---> Carr/Jenkins starting, Jenkins tears something, he's out constantly, Carr/Scandrick starting now and everyone whines about how we didn't spend a high enough pick on a corner.
  6. Reality

    Reality Administrator Staff Member

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    I like Jenkins. I think he's a solid corner. That said, the guy cannot stay on the field. When he's not missing games, he's leaving the game with a neck stinger, tweaked shoulder, etc.

    Would I have been happy with Carr and Jenkins if we knew Jenkins could play 16 games? Absolutely, but players like Jenkins and Jones are just too easily removed from the field. For that reason, I believe the Claiborne pick was a good pick. As it stands, Jenkins has been a part-time player, meaning fewer snaps, and he has STILL missed a lot of game time including full games due to injury.

  7. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Jenkins missed several games to start the season and now he's missing more of them.

    To rely on Jenkins would have been a colossal error.
  8. respectdatstar

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    Just a side note, but one of the biggest issues with this team is the lack of dicipline in clutch moments. We get called for so many bone-headed penalties that can sometimes take us completely out of games.

    More on topic, I was pleased with the move up to get Claiborne. I think that Safety was/is a bigger need but would have been wasted as the only Safety that would have been worth taking in the 1st was Barron, who went one pick after we took Claiborne. I think this next draft we will be picking in a good spot to take Warmack or Barrett Jones. Either one of those guys will be a tremendous improvement to the O-Line. So, I am willing to wait and see what happens.

  9. dadymat

    dadymat I'm kind of a Big Deal

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    so you just knew that Free, Costa, Livings and Bernadeu were gonna be injured and under performing with evidence showing different yet used the same brain to believe in Jenk,Scan and T new?.......
    Jenkins is the only one who still can be considered a quality starter and he is alway injured....we had to move on from T New and Scandrick is a solid JAG.....if we had ran with Jenk and Scandrick we would be watching Scan and the likes of Agnew and Walker....that is recipe for disaster....

    and everyone knows we need impact players in the trenches, your not in some exclusive club......thats why they spent a top 1st rounder on Smith, re signed Free (after he showed he deserved it) and Costa showed steady improvement at the last half of last YES, i stand by my position that it could not be predicted that 2 of those three would fail and the other be average....I belive they thought they could get by with a veteran rotation at guards to make it through the season and concentrate on a more dire need ....
  10. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    I knew that those offensive linemen couldn't play. Injured or not.

    As for the corners, I knew that our cornerbacks were put in a position to fail. That's why the entire group looked awful last year. Randy Galloway said it. Darelle Revis wouldn't have played well in that defense last year. He's right.
  11. percyhoward

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    We've got a good QB, good WR's, and a solid defense, but we're 27th in red zone TD percentage. Why? Because we lost our #1 scoring threat at WR, and we can present no running threat in the red zone.
  12. dadymat

    dadymat I'm kind of a Big Deal

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    well if Randy galloway said must be true
  13. FiveRings

    FiveRings Well-Known Member

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    No this is silly. We addressed our problem last year and did it damn well, now if Jerry goes out and makes a splash for a few o lineman and another problem shows up next year you'll be crying about that,

    I'm no Jerry lover but aren't you guys ever happy?
  14. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    One thing about this debate... Seems like many people act like we had some master plan to spend a ton of resources on corners this year, but that's not true at all. We did plan to spend a lot on Carr and we did, yes. But getting Claiborne was a great deal that just happened to pop up. No one planned on trading up for a corner, it's just that the Rams offered us an amazing deal that was too good to pass up.

    And everyone had Claiborne as the best player on the board. This wasn't some Quincy Carter or Tony Dixon type reach.

    As discussed, without the trade the plan would have been to spend our first rounder on a DL. That's the "trenches"? Isn't it? And the second rounder on Wagner was going on the front seven, too.

    So it's not like we plotted and schemed all offseason to get two expensive corners, or the best corner in the draft. It just happened that we got an offer too good to pass up.

    Now if Claiborne turns out to not be a great player (and I have some of the concerns Eskimo has raised about his athleticism) then the move of drafting him will be fair game.
  15. arglebargle

    arglebargle Well-Known Member

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    If only we'd signed Grubbs and drafted Decastro! That would solve our problems right now at...ooh.

    And we'd be starting Scandrick and some guy at cb.
  16. AKATheRake

    AKATheRake Well-Known Member

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    This defense is greatly improved and will get even better.

    2 of the 4 biggest reason`s is because of Mo and Carr.

    The other 2 were and are Bruce Carter and Sean Lee`s increased developments.

    We got a stud in the making for great value in Mo. He hasn`t been healthy since the start of the season and he`s already been reliable as a rookie.

    Mo was the best value and possible pick at 6.

    It was worth moving up to get him.

    Bet Jenkins ends up being a Giant next season.
  17. ninja

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    Ask the Stealers how that 1st rd pick - DeCastro and 2nd rd pick Mike Adams has worked out so far. DeCastro couldn't sniff a starting position and then got hurt. Mike Adams is plain awful and needs a lot of help from the TE/FB to barely get by.
  18. jobberone

    jobberone Kane Ala Staff Member

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    Yes, and people conveniently forget that Jenkins was a complete unknown to be able to play this year when we had to decide how to draft or compete in FA.
  19. mmillman

    mmillman Well-Known Member

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    DeCastro was injured and you cannot project that on Dallas.

    Everyone knew the offensive line stunk and due to Jerry's inept handling of the draft, free agency and the cap it still stinks.
  20. Zordon

    Zordon Well-Known Member

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    How about if I give you a Jenkins that is 100% motivated to rehab his injuries b/c he is guaranteed a starting spot from March a 2nd or 3rd corner selection, possibly janoris jenkins or casey hayward. I think that's a pretty attractive proposition.

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