I figured we could start a new thread and each give our personal opinions and observations on the debate. Now I know we all will not see the same things, I know we will not agree on the same things. We tend to argue worse than two old spinsters living together arguing over who used the last of the poligrip. However I think the majority would agree on one thing about the debate...It was far more entertaining than the previous McCain/Obama debate. So on with my takes. Both did well, I would argue that both exceeded expectations. Both got some barbs in, both had some gaffes. Overall I think Biden won slightly. I can see where either side could argue about who won the debate but it is my opinion that he won by a slight margin. Palin did a good job but I think we are skewed by how bad she has done in the recent interviews so it would be hard for her to be as bad in the debates. Just because she exceeded lower expectations, due to the interviews, it does not mean she should get an automatic win because she did well in the debate. I have already seen that idea that since she did much better compared to the interviews that it means she won the debate. I just don't subscribe to that. Now with that said I will repeat it...I think she did a good job and exceeded my expectations. I think that Biden did a better job of answering the questions instead of deflecting them. Sure he deflected some but I think he did a better job of answering them. At one point, in order to show she is tough I guess, Palin basically said screw you Joe and Screw you moderator I am not answering the question I am just going to say what I want. Personally I found that to be the wrong way to go especially after the criticism of both McCain and Obama for dodging some questions/answers in the other debate. Actually now that I think about it of the four, McCain/Obama/Biden/Palin...only biden actually answered that one question of what the candidates might have to drop from their plans due to the bailout crisis. I give credit to Palin for looking at her opponent and addressing him instead of what McCain did in the other debate. I have to wonder if they made sure for her not to do what McCain did as I think that was a bad strategy by him. So credit to her for that, although I guess one could argue I am giving her credit for something that is pretty much a given in the idea that you should look at your opponent. Maybe it is just me but I noticed Palin pulling an Obama of sorts. What I mean is she would change how she spoke on occasion. I have noticed that Obama will do this in certain crowds. One minute he would speak perfect grammar, english and syntax with no trace of ebonics and another time he would pander to a crowd and start talking and would slip into an ebonics of sort to pander to the crowd. I noticed with Palin she would be talking all normal and then sort of slip into a folksy golly gee manner. Not only that it would seem her accent would become more pronounced when she would do that. Again maybe that is me but it was something I did notice on a few occasions. Biden had a nice "heartfelt" moment when he seemed like he was choked up talking about his kids. Now Biden has been around a long time and maybe it was just a good acting job, but it seemed genuine. No matter the case I think that appealed to some voters...esp women. All gaffes, all barbs, all good or bad moments aside I think in the end that Biden won the debate. That is just my opinion. I was impressed by both, both exceeded my expectations and a legit argument could be made as too who won or lost. Neither blew the other away IMO so it could go either way. After the debate I wanted to watch some of the post debate shows. These days there is just not any news channels that I deem unbiased. First I turned to fox and got tired of the bias in favor of Palin. Then I turned to MSNBC and got tired of the bias towards Biden. So I turned to CNN. Let's make no mistake that CNN is biased as well as fox and MSNBC but I found their post debate shows much better than the other two. I think the panel they had there was much better and did a better job of talking about the debates. You had people from different sides of the aisles and it was interesting...including one guy who had worked for multiple presidents on both sides of the aisle. They also had a focus group in Ohio. It was broken down between Reps, Dems and undecideds. It was interesting in that focus group that although they disagreed on different questions and points of the debate when asked who won the debates it was pretty much split with a slight edge to Biden. However when asked who they thought would win the election by far it was a majority for Obama and Biden including by the registered republicans. They went back to their panelists/analysts and one of the guys brought up some points and many seemed to agree. He said that Palin did a good job to help get rid of her bad perception after the interviews but it was only enough to keep that team from falling further down...it did not mean it was enough to bring them ahead. Also another point was that although this debate and performance by Palin was great for her after the terrible interviews...it might not be as effective to the people because the news cycle will turn right back to the bailout and the VP debate will be quickly forgotten in the news cycles. Basically it was just not good timing. Most seem to agree that if the bailout crisis was still not going on and the news covering it was still not going on maybe this performance by Palin would stay in the news and be good for the republican ticket but again chances are it will fall by the wayside due to the news going back to the bailout crisis. Also the panelists were doing point scoring during the debate. This panel again was from people on different sides of the aisle as far as political leanings go...only one voted palin as doing better than Biden. So there is my takes and observations. In the end I think both exceeded expectations, I believe both landed some good barbs, I believe both had some gaffes. I believe that neither did anything that would hurt their ticket. I believe both did well overall but I think Biden got the slight edge overall.