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New Jersey boy not allowed back to school without flu shot

Discussion in 'Off-topic Zone' started by JBond, Jan 8, 2013.

  1. ShiningStar

    ShiningStar Well-Known Member

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    Amen brother, you inspired that post.
  2. Hoov

    Hoov Senior Member

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    They are just saying that the kid cant come there unless he has the same flu shot that all the other kids have already had. Why does one kid get special treatment and not have to follow the rules.

    The parents are not being forced to do anything, they have other options for the childs schooling.
  3. a_minimalist

    a_minimalist Well-Known Member

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    Doesn't the flu shot protect against flus? If every kid has one and one doesn't why does it matter? I thought the other kids can't get it after the shot? If parents don't want their kid to have the flu give them the shot. If other parents will deal with the flu if their kid gets sick let them. Why does it have to be so black and white?

    I'd much rather let my kid get sick like I did and let his or her body learn to fight back. Sorry but I've had the flu many times. You get better. If you're on welfare and live off of soda and potato chips then maybe you should consider it if its free. If not keep your kid hydrated and gets rest. Making sure he or she is taken care of doesn't seem like some arduous task. I'm sure it's not easy, I don't have children so I don't know. I'm sure on top of work and life it's difficult but not everything is supposed to be easy. Let's not make it sound like the flu is some deadly virus. People have also died from the flu shot. All of this stuff is very new. I'd personally rather not be the guinea pig.
  4. ShiningStar

    ShiningStar Well-Known Member

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    independent thought , where were you going with that one, id like to hear more.


    good post.
  5. ShiningStar

    ShiningStar Well-Known Member

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    first of all they might be scared, the kid is allergic to one ingredient in the vacine and they are not getting a doctors note that will assume hes not allergic to anything else in it.

    Parents with kids who have allergies to peanuts in my view go to extremes to protect their children, this has no baring on my opinion since it being their child and not mine, so my opinion goes out the door and rightly so.

    How are children with an egg allergy, i have no idea, but i do know more about what i dont know than what i do know, and i know allergies are not always permeant and NOT always going to declare themselves and lots of them have serious repercussions THAT i would not want to risk my child to, so i would err on the side of caution as well.

    As public schools are that public with rules, and of course lots of money filtered into, the educators have gotten on a trip that THEY know whats best for children, to respond, i give them the raspberries. People on an agenda will always be on what they percieve as their crusade, its time to stop some crusades and go back to reality. If the school wants to ensure the safety of every children, than in that regard they are going to have to let their agendas go because they are not 100 percent full proof.
  6. ScipioCowboy

    ScipioCowboy More than meets the eye. Zone Supporter

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    If the kid isn't legally compelled to attend the school, this isn't necessarily a violation of rights.
  7. Rackat

    Rackat Active Member

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    Historic Epidemics
    Early epidemics are identified by historic records of patient symptoms and modern testing of human survivors and stored DNA samples.

    Russian Flu
    The Russian flu epidemic of 1889 lasted four years and killed more than one million people in Europe, Latin America, and North America.

    Spanish Flu
    The Spanish Influenza Epidemic of 1918 accounted for between 20 and 40 million deaths. While nearly one-fifth of the world population contracted the flu, people between the ages of 20 to 40 had the highest numbers of deaths, according to Alfred Crosby in his book, "America's Forgotten Pandemic: The Influenza of 1918".

    Asian Flu
    The Asian Flu pandemic was recorded in 1957. Researchers suspected that the virus was a mutation of the 1918 flu strain combined with avian (duck) flu. At least one million people were killed around the world in this outbreak.

    Hong Kong Flu
    The Hong Kong Flu, now known as the H3N2 epidemic, killed at least one million people in 1968. The virus was a combined form of the human and bird viruses.
  8. a_minimalist

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    I'm pretty sure we have vaccines for when these things occur now. People with poor immune systems that are old or have some sort of disease that prevents their immune system from functioning optimally should obviously take the flu shot. These viruses effect those with already weakened immune systems, I believe. Maybe someone could shed some more light on that.
  9. Hoofbite

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    The flu shot only protects against the most likely variants of the flu virus for a particular year. If there were only a single variant, you probably wouldn't need an annual shot. Booster every now and then maybe.

    If a strain develops that the vaccine wasn't intended to treat, anyone can get it.

    So the problem arises when the identified and targeted strains are allowed to linger around for a long enough time, passing from unvaccinated person to unvaccinated person, replicating and mutating along the way. With enough mutation, it's possible that the previously vaccinable strain escapes coverage and can cross over into vaccinated populations. Now you have a highly communicable disease that can be spread to anyone from a single person or contaminated object to multiple persons in a short span of time and for which there is no effective vaccine currently available.

    Your body learns to fight back either way, only difference is you don't actually have to get the flu by getting the vaccine.
  10. Rackat

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    We can come up with vaccines for just about any strain of flu. The problem is that the flu is like the Honey Badger: it just don't care.

    It mutates constantly. What we prepare for today may or may not be the flu type that actually occurs. Regardless of compromised or non-compromised immune systems, people die from the flu every year. There was a young man from Flower Mound that contracted the flu over the holidays and died from the complications.

    We try to contain it, but reality is that no matter what we do we cannot stop it.
  11. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    With that in mind, then maybe no one should assent to making it mandatory for people who don't want it. Chasing a bug with odd cocktails isn't going to contain it and certainly not going to comfort people by basically having them act as guinea pigs.

    The doctors offices that want to clamp down on mothers who aren't comfortable, the schools, all of them need to remember they're not authority figures in position to dictate how people live.

    I think it'd go a long way to quelling some of the fear if they didn't pull the draconian despot crap of take it or get out.
  12. Hoofbite

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    I'm not sure where the weird idea that the flu vaccine is a "cocktail" came from and that humans are guinea pigs. Vaccines have been around for a lot longer than many of the current drugs I would assume wouldn't classify as "cocktails".

    The basically take the bug, replicate the hell out of it and render it incapable of causing an infection, and inject that. There's probably some more detailed steps but the gist of it is that you are getting injected with deactivated forms of the actual virus.

    It's like calibrating a mine detector by using mines with the explosives removed so when you actually come across a real explosive you don't walk right over it.

    I'm not sure how "cocktail" comes into play. Vaccines have been developed for a long time. They aren't just throwing together all sorts of chemicals, they actually feeding your immune system the exact information it needs to identify and eradicate the virus before it establishes an infection.
  13. Hopeuhavechange

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    Never had the flu shot but I do implore my aging parents, young relatives, and those with chronic diseases- esp resp illnesses and those with hx of pneumonia- get it. True enuff that it only prevents contacting it by a rt of ~59% but even for those who to succumb to it, their symptoms and thus their potential for complications are lowered. And complications kill.

    Year in and year out the chosen vaccine is a an educated guess and yes, the vaccine also carries real risks, tho marginally lower than that of the contagion. One of my sisters got the flu shot this yr and within days became very sick with flu-like symptoms. Was it the vaccine itself the made her sick or had community acquired virus already begun assaulting her before her defenses were primed by the prophylactic agent? Can't make that call.
  14. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    Ingredients and preservatives make it a cocktail, by rendering it incapable they have to add something to it other than itself. It's not simply flu bug in a hypo.

    If you're comfy with it, have at it.
  15. Hopeuhavechange

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    Oh, forgot to mention. The flu can't touch me. Neither can the IRS.
  16. Illini88228

    Illini88228 Well-Known Member

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    There's a lot of craziness in this thread, but that line is hilarious.
  17. a_minimalist

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    Flu shots have been known to have mercury in them. If they aren't a cocktail why have there been people who point out that they contain mercury?
  18. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    Thumerasol (Sp?) Aluminum; there are a number of ingredients that cause people to worry.

    There always have been as well, I'd read some where that the polio vaccine had the degenerative bile ducts of a dogs pancreas in it.
  19. Rackat

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    Really? What is crazy about that statement? The flu mutates, ie; it doesn't care about vaccines. We can try to slow it down and ameliorate it's effects, but in the end the virus just mutates and moves on. google a history of the flu.
  20. Hopeuhavechange

    Hopeuhavechange New Member

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    Yeah but it's bound up in Thimerosal in a form called ethylmercury, less neurotoxic in this formulation than (unavoidable) free mercury found organically in the food chain (methylmercury). Not quite harmless but not something to hyperventilate over. And the autism link has been debunked. All toxins are dose dependent and this one's closely controlled. Really, as fashionable as it is, it just isn't the chief worry with vaccines. I'd fret over something else.

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