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Obama Sends More to War

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  1. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    Obama Sends More to War

    The president will announce the deployment of 4,000 U.S. Army trainers to Afghanistan in addition to the 17,000 Marines and Army personnel he already has said he would send into combat.

    President Obama will announce the deployment of 4,000 additional U.S. Army troops to Afghanistan on Friday, part of strategy senior officials say will merge increased military efforts with a massive diplomatic push there and in neighboring Pakistan.

    "Our focus is first and foremost on those who threaten the United States of America," a senior official said, referring to Al Qaeda and Taliban forces that now reside in unknown locations in Pakistan.

    "That strategy is to disrupt, dismantle and defeat Al Qaeda, its associates and destroy their safe havens," another senior official said during a White House briefing in advance of the president's speech. "This strategy is a strategy, it's not a straightjacket. It's designed to be flexible. We will re-***** as we go along."

    The 4,000 Army trainers are in additional to the contingent of 17,000 Marines and Army personnel Obama already announced he would send into combat operations in Afghanistan. Those deployments will start this spring and continue through the summer. The Army trainers will focus their efforts on expanding the ranks and professionalism of the Afghanistan National Army (ANA).

    Separately, the administration has won an as-yet-unannounced commitment of forces from France to increase training of Afghan police forces.

    "Ultimately the Afghan national forces need to take the lead in securing their country. This increase in number and intensity around the (training) mission will enable us to have them take that lead on a faster pace and reach the goals we have for what we think the necessary numbers are (for Afghan Army and police forces) on a quicker scale going forward."

    The administration has set a goal of 134,000 fully trained Afghan Army forces and 82,000 fully trained police forces by the end of 2011. Currently, the Afghan Army has a force of about 75,000 and the number of fully trained Afghan police is less than 40,000.

    Obama will also send "hundreds" of civilian State Department and personnel from other US agencies to improve Afghanistan's ability to govern itself -- a tacit acknowledgement that the government led by President Hamid Karzai has failed to win Obama's full confidence.

    "It makes no sense to just send more soldiers to Afghanistan," the official said. "You also have to send civilian specialists to help the Afghan authorities develop agriculture, develop governance, root out corruption, and beat the narcotics trade."

    The administration also intends to focus new efforts on Pakistan, principally involving regular diplomatic engagement led by special envoy Richard Holbrooke. The U.S. intends to conduct bi-lateral talks with Pakistan every six-to-eight weeks and U.S-Pakistan-Afghanistan meetings once every three months.

    "That's a fundamental shift," one senior official said, describing the new strategy as one that defines the fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban as a two-nation conflict that requires intensive military and diplomatic efforts. "We recognize Pakistan has a complex, complicated relationship with some of these terrorists groups. Some of these terrorists groups have grown up within the Pakistani system, but many of them have now become Frankensteins which threaten the freedom of Pakistan."

    The new strategy will also seek to increase U.S. economic aid to Pakistan's new civilian government. Obama tomorrow will ask Congress to commit $1.5 billion a year for each of the next five years to economic development aid to Pakistan. The president will also seek to "increase Pakistan's capabilities against insurgents, terrorists and militants." As an example, one official said, Obama will try to increase Pakistan's "air mobility capability to control their western border."

    Increasing Pakistani air power in the West could alleviate the need for U.S. forces to use drones to target Al Qaeda operatives. That could reduce domestic political pressure on the Pakistani government to protest such U.S. air-strikes. Even with these new initiatives, senior officials admitted they are still not completely comfortable that some elements of Pakistan's military or intelligence forces are not aligned with or sympathetic toward Al Qaeda or the Taliban.

    "All of this, of course, is going to have to be done in a way in which we are ensured that Pakistan will take the appropriate measures against militancy, terrorism, and insurgency," one official said. "We've made that very clear in our conversations with the Pakistanis."

    The additional Army trainers will, when added to the 17,000 already scheduled, boost U.S. forces by 21,000 this year. That's on top of the roughly 9,000 additional forces former President Bush deployed in late 2008.

    That fits, Obama officials said, with the request submitted by Army Gen. David McKiernan, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, for a force increase this year. But it falls short of McKiernan's overall request of Obama for 35,000 additional troops in by the end of 2010. Officials said Obama will decide whether to meet McKiernan's full troop request later.

    "This gives him (McKiernan) everything he has asked for at this time," the official said. "It seems prudent to us to evaluate their impact in the fall and see what affect 30,000 more American Marines and soldiers had before we make any additional decisions on troop numbers. And Gen. McKiernan is in the same place. He's going to want to see what's the impact of having those forces on the ground."
  2. trickblue

    trickblue Old Testament... Zone Supporter

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    I thought surges didn't work... :huh:
  3. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    They will think of another term to call it instead if surge. :laugh1:

    I'm happy that Obama is listening to the Generals on the ground in Afghanistan and giving them what they are requesting to do the job. People can play politics all they want but when it comes to the boots on the ground I want to make sure these young men and women have what they need
  4. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    Obama is a liar. We all know this. Nothing new. The Obama quagmire has begun. Obama's Vietnam?

    The sooner this dangerous fool is gone, the better.
  5. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1:
  6. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Was listening to Brian and the Judge this morning and they were discussing two polls recent taken in Afghanistan. Neither surprises me but basically, the 1st poll indicated that a large majority of Afghanistan would support Taliban rule as a form of Government. The second indicated that a large majority would also like to see the practice of Christianity viewed as an executable offense.

    That's ethnic cleansing folks.

    I have said this many times on this board. Afghanistan is one of the most rugged areas in the world. The people are primative in many ways. They are going to support groups who are involved in terrorist activities against America. Winning a War in that region of the Country is going to be very difficult because you not only have to fight Afghanistan but also Pakistan. Our involvement in the Middle East is not going to be short. Those who believe what Obama campaigned on, those who believe what he is saying about ending the war and bringing our troops home are buying into a pipe dream IMO. I could be wrong, it would not be the first time but I never believed that tripe. The War in Afghanistan could easily turn out to be longer and more costly then the War in Iraq. I know it will be more difficult.
  7. TheCount

    TheCount Pixel Pusher

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    Boy do you guys have a selective memory or hearing, or both.

    From July, 2008:

    It has been his stance to send more troops to Afghanistan, Iraq was the contention point.
  8. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    Especially if we're going to engage in a politically correct war.
    If the tender opinions of the public is front and center of our concerns, instead of the brutal nature of who we're fighting, we are going to lose.
  9. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    I read something similar in Newsweek last summer. He had said we should be focusing more on, and would commit to more if elected, to Afghanistan.
  10. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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    [IMG]

    But the other guy did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  11. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    No...if they other guy did it, instead of putting his focus on Iraq, we probably would be out of Afghanistan by now or at least have gotten OBL.

    Nice Try...no not even a nice try.

    You kind of suck at this.:laugh1:
  12. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    If I am not mistaken, President Obama promised the American people that he would have the troops home within 16 months, all the troops, or May of 2010. This is essentially how he beat Hillary in the Primary. Perhaps that whole selective memory thing is more wide spread then you think Count.
  13. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    I do believe the SOFA agreement with Iraq was reached while W was still in office. I could be wrong on that.

    Either way. I told people during the Dem Primary that neither Obama or Hillary would get all of the troops out of Iraq in a year or probably even two years if ever.
  14. TheCount

    TheCount Pixel Pusher

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    Got a link?
  15. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Do a search, it's not hard to find. Start with Obama's broken promises.
  16. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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    Compression is down on this forum for some today.

    We were talking about the surge.

    Which the other guy did and it worked.

    Now the new guy, the putz in chief is going to do it after he said a surge wouldn't work, therby showing his inability to understand military tactics.
  17. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl Do it for the Vine! Staff Member

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    I don't think that's ever been the case regarding Afghanistan.

    The only time I've heard the comments you posted were in response to the Iraq war.
  18. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    Are you talking about air compression between your ears?:p:

    And we are talking about Afghanistan and not Iraq.

    There has always been a different view by many of where we should have had more troops instead of taking away troops to send elsewhere.
  19. TheCount

    TheCount Pixel Pusher

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    I think we both know what that response means.
  20. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I know that you servered BP. At the end of the day, I can always find that as commen ground between you and I. I will tell you that I consider myself to have a very good, very deep understanding of that situation and I have never believed that we were leaving that part of the word any time soon. Maybe not in yours or my life time. I say this with all honesty. It's just not in the cards IMO.

    I hope I am wrong.

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