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On The Tape: Travis Frederick

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by RS12, Apr 28, 2013.

  1. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    I think that Frederick played "too heavy" in college. He was listed at 338 which is way too heavy for a guy that is 6'3-5/8". He weighed 312 at the combine. I think his playing weight will be somewhere between those two numbers. He will obviously be quicker at 312 or 320 than at 338.
  2. Fla Cowpoke

    Fla Cowpoke Well-Known Member

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    I don't think you understand the difference between a fact and an opinion.
  3. bsheeern

    bsheeern Well-Known Member

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    You just didn't miss brother. You said he was a waste of a draft pick and would be out if the league in 3 years.

    You expect people to let that go? It speaks way more about talent evaluation than maybe you realize.
  4. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    I know you don't.
  5. bsheeern

    bsheeern Well-Known Member

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    No stats don't lie. They are facts. Written In stone.

    What we as fans need to realize is that stats are only numbers. While factual numbers they should never be used without being taken with a grain of salt. Because they alone don't make you a good or bad football player.

    In fact if they were heads up in a "shoe carrying contest" looks like Costa would be your man hands down. Point is, we don't, or at least I don't, watch shoe carrying competitions.
  6. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    I guess you really missed the part about playing not measuring. Not surprising
  7. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    you can twist stats around to prove any point you want to; that was what he meant
  8. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I expect him to be much quicker in games at around 320 than his college listed weight of 338.

    I think coming in to training camp at the correct weight is a big key to Frederick's success. I think his combine weight of 312 is too light and his college weight of 338+ is way too heavy.
  9. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    Combine: Gurode vs Frederick
    ------------------40----10---20sp---20ss---3c------vj-----bj
    6 ft 4¼ in 316 lb 5.34 s 1.89 s 3.14 s 5.05 s 8.15 s 30½ in 8 ft 4 in
    6 ft 3½ in 312 lb 5.58 s 1.91 s 3.14 s 4.76 s 7.81 s 28½ in 8 ft 1 in
  10. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    Mark Twain wrote fiction.
  11. CATCH17

    CATCH17 1st Round Pick

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    I don't remember all of the details of what I said like you do but, yes, I didn't think Demarco would be the level of back he is.

    I can't evaluate what I never saw and I never saw a guy that imposed his will on teams like he has for us in his 2 years here.

    Productive player in college? Absolutely. A power back with speed? No, never saw that.


    It would be like Frederick coming out here in the Fall and being nimble. You just don't see it in College.


    Bottom line is everyone whiffs on players and he was a whiff for me. I'll gladly put my overall hit or miss on players, especially O Linemen, against anyone.


    Heck, I missed on Terrell Suggs too. I took heat for wanting Willis McGahee over Lee Suggs and Greg Jones. I had to argue with this very fan base that Demarcus Ware was much more talented than Merriman.
  12. nalam

    nalam The realist

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    If he can anchor soundly first, I'll be happy, as we often saw the center pushed back into Romo's face often , no room to step up at all. I think Fred can do that , check out how strong he is waist down ,in Rafael Vela's blog.

    And still he has room to grow in upper body and improve strength . Wocik should help him with that.
  13. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    You didn't see anything prior to his senior season then, because it was obvious in those games. His senior year wasn't very impressive but it was due to a horrible OL.
  14. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    I don't remember the details but I remember you made the claim on the basis that 'he didn't scare you like Peterson did.'
  15. ABQcowboyJR

    ABQcowboyJR Well-Known Member

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    The guy doesn't have great lateral movement IMO. When he pulls its kinda painful to watch. I think he is a smart guy that has a tendency to lean on people and not really use his hands. He will let defensive players into his chest. His second level blocking is what worries me the most. He seems to have a hard time getting to the second level and blocking his man. He tends to reach in those situations and then get beat. I think most of these things can be coached up and improved. I don't know if he will ever be able to pull or second level block very well. He does not get driven into the backfield though. He will be able to keep the pressure right up the middle off of Romo.
  16. Dash28

    Dash28 Felis silvestris catus

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    Good point.
  17. CATCH17

    CATCH17 1st Round Pick

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    Lol nobody scares me like Peterson does so I don't know why I would've said that.
  18. CATCH17

    CATCH17 1st Round Pick

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    I've followed Murray since before he was a Freshman coming out of Las Vegas and he was always more finesse.

    Most Sooner fans thought he was the next Reggie Bush when he was recruited there.
  19. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    You're just digging a deeper hole then. His first year he was smaller and faster but after that he was getting bigger & showed the power.

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