Only 2 WDE's available to fit our scheme...

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  1. rpatricc

    rpatricc Well-Known Member

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    Demarcus Lawrence and Jeremiah Attaochu. They are the only true "quick twitch" "bend the corner" premier weakside DE's left. Everyone projecting Ealy, Crihcton, or even Kareem Martin as WDE are off base in my opinion. These guys are more fit for SDE (Crichton & Martin) or 3-tech (Ealy) in our scheme. They are bigger and stronger at the point of attack, but not the quick-off-the-ball-and-around-the-corner guys Marinelli wants at that position.

    Presumably, Atlanta will take one of Lawrence or Attaouchu at Pick 37 given their pressing need. If we are inclined to jump Atlanta (and trade with Oakland right above), according to the trade value chart, we would have to give up our #2, our #4, and either our #5 or two #7's (or maybe #4 next year). If you think either of these players has 12-sack per year upside, I think you do it. If not, you sit tight and take the best available 1-technique (Jernigan, Nix, Hageman) or roll the dice on 3-technique (Sutton).
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    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Actually, I think Jackson Jeffcoat fits as well. His athleticism is right there as well.
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  3. MonsterD

    MonsterD Quota outta absentia

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    Hard to argue the logic, but you never know one of those guys might end up playing well at WDE, just need bodies on the line.
  4. JoeyBoy718

    JoeyBoy718 Well-Known Member

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    How do you view Kyle Van Noy? More of a 3-4 OLB but the same thing could be said about Barr, Mack and Ford and I bet we'd all be happy with one of those three.

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I like Van Noy.
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  6. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    Those are the only 2 that fit in this round but there are others.
    If we are looking at solely 3rd down pass rushers you can look in other rounds and see guys like Aaron Lynch, Howard Jones or even Michael Sam.

    Might shoot for 3T at 47 then aim for a 7T later on that is going to rotate in.
    Days of Ware/Spencer playing 90% of the snaps are over.
  7. Smith22

    Smith22 Well-Known Member

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    FWIW, Broaddus was just on 105.3 the fan and said no way no how the Boys take him in the 3rd.
  8. jterrell

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    he probably would have to bulk up and play SDE.
    never really been an elite player.
    good, solid player with athleticism but never truly matched game to name at Plano West or UT.

    r4/r5 guy imho.
  9. rpatricc

    rpatricc Well-Known Member

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    I live in Boise, so I've seen Van Noy play against Boise State in person a couple of times. He's definitely disruptive, but he is much more of a true OLB to me than Barr, Mack, and Ford. He just does not have their weight. I think he is only 235 pounds. I dont see him as a fit at DE for us.
  10. TonyRomo17

    TonyRomo17 Well-Known Member

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    Depends on who Atlanta likes more tbh, they have met with both Ealy and Lawrence

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    He's listed at 243 and I think he could probably play at 255-260 if you moved him to WDE but I agree. At WOLB in a Tampa2, he could be really good IMO.
  12. DFWJC

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    Yeah. I tend to think of Jeffcoat as 4th round or not at all.

    But the only thing is this draft that I was willing to say "never" on was us taking Manziel at 16 or earlier.
    So I used up my quota :D
  13. da_whiz_kid

    da_whiz_kid Active Member

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    I disagree on Crichton. I think he can play WDE and has enough quick twitch to get off the line and can get around the corner. He may not be as fast, but he is quick off the line, stronger, and at 270 more able to play in a full time role at the position. I saw all this on the tape. Dude will be fine. has 33" arms, 10 in hands, 24 on the bench and did the 3 Cone in 7.19.
    With that being said, I do like Attaochu and would like him too is possible. I like both Crichton and Attaochu over Demarcus Lawrence.

    Later DE we could get that could possibly fill the role given some better coaching Ethan Westbrooks and Aaron Lynch.
    From a corner bending and edge get off James Gayle possesses those skills but lacks immensely in strength(I wouldnt draft him, but see why someone would).

    There is also Chris Smith in the 3rd.

    You also have guys who could play it more situational and develop their skill set such as Howard Jones and Derrell Jones(explosive get off, short arms, great bull rush).

    Then there is Michael Sam for late in the draft. IMO a better edge rusher than Kony Ealy. Horrible combine, but game tape showed a much better player.

    They just need to be smart and aware as to how they go about this situation.
  14. tm1119

    tm1119 Well-Known Member

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    This is such a short sighted view. As if only 1 type of DE has success getting to the QB in a 4-3. You can't just look at a piece of paper and decide who can and can't rush the qb based on measurables and work out #'s. You would eliminate many of the best DE's in the NFL with this mindset.
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  15. xwalker

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    Lawrence is not a super fast guy but he does play like a WDE.

    It would be nice to get one of those types, but the Cowboys have too many needs to try to force the pick. They can take a SDE, at DE or some other position. Just get the BPA.

    If they don't get a classic WDE early, they could take a couple of projects in the later rounds like Aaron Lynch or Devon Kennard. In the mid rounds Chris Smith or Ethan Westbrooks.

    Some are projecting Howard Jones to LB, but I think he could be a good Nickel pass rusher. He has elite type athleticism.

    There is one more late round guy but I can't remember his name at the moment. He's tall and ran fairly fast...
  16. ninja

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    Scheme? Garrett is in the final year of his contract. Marinelli and Garrett might not even be here next year. Who knows what the scheme will be next year? Just draft BPA regardless of scheme. As Parcells said, good football players can play in any scheme. Scheme and gameplan based on your talent. Plus, teams play so many schemes and variations of schemes.

    Never draft for immediate needs unless you think you are that one player away form it all. Draft for the future.
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  17. marchetta

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    Garrett said, in affect, that there were only 3 RDE with 1st round grades (Clowney, Barr, and Lawerence). So, we had to overpay to insure we got the last one. According to Norm, Rod's scheme requires a rush RDE to make it work. We were planning on using Shazier as a hybrid DE after we lost out on Barr. But after we lost out on Shazier, it put us behind the eight ball and we were in a position were we needed the last RDE left in the draft with 1st rd ability. So, we had to overpay for him.
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  18. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    This is good stuff. You know there would be a price to pay for missing out on Shazier.
  19. Tezz

    Tezz Active Member

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    Very interesting thought on Shazier being a hybrid pass rusher could definitely see that as he is up there as one of the most athletic players in draft great blitzing skills

    Wonder if they went Shazier first do they still trade up but for Joe Botino
  20. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    That's a bunch of crap to me. They weren't forced to do anything. You hear this every year why they had to pay a premium price. The fact is the two guys making these decisions are reactionary idiots who don't have a clue how to build a winning football team.

    They were forced to in their own mind.
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