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Pat Robertson endorses Giuliani

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by ConcordCowboy, Nov 8, 2007.

  1. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    So the man who's basically running on 9/11 is taking the endorsement of the man who said that the reason 9/11 happened was because of this country's tolerance of abortion and gays.

    Giuliani has been for gay rights and pro choice.

    Lets not even mention his divorces which of course I'm sure Robertson is just crazy about.

    :D


    Pat Robertson endorses Giuliani


    Conservative religious leader’s nod seen as helpful on social issue concerns


    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21669328/

    WASHINGTON - Televangelist Pat Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition, endorsed Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani on Wednesday.

    "It is my pleasure to announce my support for America's Mayor, Rudy Giuliani, a proven leader who is not afraid of what lies ahead and who will cast a hopeful vision for all Americans," Robertson said during a news conference with Giuliani in Washington.

    The former New York mayor backs abortion rights and gay rights, positions that put him in conflict with conservative GOP orthodoxy, and has been trying to persuade evangelical conservatives like Robertson to overlook their differences on those issues.

    Evangelicals have split in their support for the leading Republican candidates. Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback, a favorite of Christian conservatives who dropped out of the race last month, endorsed fellow Sen. John McCain of Arizona on Wednesday. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney recently announced that Paul Weyrich and Bob Jones III were on board with his candidacy.

    Asked about the Robertson endorsement, McCain, at a news conference with Brownback in Dubuque, Iowa, said: "Every once in a while, I'm left speechless. This is one of those times."

    Giuliani is best known to voters for leading New York in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Shortly after 9/11, Robertson released a statement in which he said the attacks occurred because Americans had insulted God and lost the protection of heaven by allowing abortion and "rampant Internet pornography."

    Robertson made no mention of his differences with Giuliani on social issues in Wednesday's statement.

    "Rudy Giuliani took a city that was in decline and considered ungovernable and reduced its violent crime, revitalized its core, dramatically lowered its taxes, cut through a welter of bureaucratic regulations, and did so in the spirit of bipartisanship which is so urgently needed in Washington today," Robertson said.

    Robertson, who unsuccessfully ran for president in 1988, founded the Christian Broadcasting Network, the Christian Coalition and Regent University in Virginia Beach.

    Also Wednesday, Giuliani said he asked two GOP friends in Congress, Reps. Peter King of New York and Rep. Pete Sessions of Texas, to introduce bills to keep states from giving licenses or similar identification to illegal immigrants.

    The Democratic front-runner, Hillary Clinton, was criticized after a televised debate last week when she hedged an answer on whether she supported New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer's effort to grant licenses to illegal immigrants. Her aides say she generally supports the idea in the absence of comprehensive immigration reform.
  2. trickblue

    trickblue Old Testament... Zone Supporter

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    "Politics makes for Strange Bedfellows, and I have been in a lot of beds..."

    --Scipio, son of Flora
  3. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    This sure is a strange one.:D
  4. peplaw06

    peplaw06 That Guy

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    I don't know why disagreement on a few key issues means you cannot support a candidate.

    There's probably not gonna be a candidate who aligns perfectly with my views in the primaries. And there's definitely not going to be one in the general election. So you decide who aligns with some of your key issues combined with someone who you think can actually win, and go with it.

    Doesn't seem complicated to me.

    The two party system generally leads to voters picking the lesser of two evils. Doesn't mean all voters are hypocrites for voting for a guy who doesn't align with the perfectly.
  5. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Bad Santa Staff Member

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    When your main disagreement with political issues is those two topics...and you endorse a person who seems to be direct opposite of your view points on that issue.

    That is strange.

    This is not an average joe endorsing a candidate here.

    Especially considering there are candidates that better align with his beliefs.

    Romney, Huckabee, McCain to name three.

    I guess he would rather pick a pro gay and pro lifer over a mormon.:D
  6. AtlCB

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    I thought the endorsement was odd as well. Guiliani is certainly not a religious right supporter. I guess will see Jerry Faldwell endorse Ron Paul next. :lmao2:
  7. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    Bingo.

    Plus the fact that basically Robertson's saying that we deserved 9/11 because of those issues.

    He's Nuts.
  8. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    Not unless it's from the grave.:D
  9. Danny White

    Danny White Winter is Coming

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    This confirms what I've long suspected about Robertson... zero credibility.

    He sees Rudy as the clear front-runner, and he wants a place at the table if he's elected.
  10. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I agree. I consider myself a republican but not a fan of Pat Robertson. His endorsement of any candidate means nothing to me.
  11. trickblue

    trickblue Old Testament... Zone Supporter

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    Robertson is a snake-oil salesman... like many in the "church business"...
  12. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    Yep...so when Giuliani gets elected (NOT:D ) and has a chance to nominate some Supreme Courts Justicies...he will be pushing obviously Anti-Gay/Abortion judges.

    JMO.
  13. peplaw06

    peplaw06 That Guy

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    Well, the President-to-be isn't going to have nearly as much influence on those two issues as he will on the every day things, like the economy, the war, taxes etc. The only real influence he has on those issues is with who he nominates as SCOTUS justices if he gets that chance.

    Most people think Giuliani will nominate justices who are constructionists or align with the original intent of the Constitution, and are in favor of judicial restraint. Once the justice gets on the bench, you lose control on that issue. You can't predict how a justice will rule on everything before they actually do it.

    Plus I don't think any of those other three have much of a chance to win. McCain may play better to the moderates, but I doubt he could beat Hillary.
  14. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    Then people are dumb:)
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0207/2957.html
    When Rudy Giuliani faces Republicans concerned about his support of gay rights and legal abortion, he reassures them that he is a conservative on the decisions that matter most.

    "I would want judges who are strict constructionists because I am," he told South Carolina Republicans last month. "Those are the kinds of justices I would appoint -- Scalia, Alito and Roberts."

    But most of Giuliani's judicial appointments during his eight years as mayor of New York were hardly in the model of Chief Justice John Roberts or Samuel Alito -- much less aggressive conservatives in the mold of Antonin Scalia.

    A Politico review of the 75 judges Giuliani appointed to three of New York state's lower courts found that Democrats outnumbered Republicans by more than 8 to 1. One of his appointments was an officer of the International Association of Lesbian and Gay Judges. Another ruled that the state law banning liquor sales on Sundays was unconstitutional because it was insufficiently secular.

    A third, an abortion-rights supporter, later made it to the federal bench in part because New York Sen. Charles E. Schumer, a liberal Democrat, said he liked her ideology.

    Cumulatively, Giuilani's record was enough to win applause from people like Kelli Conlin, the head of NARAL Pro-Choice New York, the state's leading abortion-rights group. "They were decent, moderate people," she said.
  15. peplaw06

    peplaw06 That Guy

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    My first reaction to that article is...

    How does a Mayor of a city appoint judges?

    I've seriously never heard of a mayor appointing a judge to any court of significance, and certainly not one who would have the power to rule a Blue Law unconstitutional -- and be the final say.

    Then even if he does do some appointing, it's New York City, the mayor wouldn't be appointing anyone to any court outside of that city. And New York is a pretty liberal city. What kind of candidates does he have to choose from? Yep, you guessed it.

    So I did some further reading, go to the comments section after that article, and you'll find this piece by someone who at least sounds like they know what they're talking about.

  16. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    gee, Jterrel, Really need to check these things out a little better.
  17. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    Gotta admit that I was suprised that Robertson endorsed G. Probably correct that he is looking for clout. Though this DOES help G as Robertson still has a fair amount of influence with Christian Conservatives.
  18. jterrell

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    That is a good note but slightly misleading.

    The council was all accomplished lawyers split between law professors, former us prosecutors, and former ny supreme court judges. Without a list of candidates we can not assume he routinely chose the most conservative candidate. Further judges are seldom as liberal as any populace.

    Guiliani was not forced to do anything. He was proven a liberal mayor, with liberal ideas. He is running as a Republican because of 9/11 and nothing else. He has nothing else in his record to make happy waves with Repubs.

    NYC is amazingly liberal and yet they loved Rudy.
  19. Danny White

    Danny White Winter is Coming

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    I can't believe that Rudy is having this much success pulling the wool over people's eyes.

    If any conservative really thinks Rudy's going to support their ideas once he's in office, they're in for a rude awakening. :(
  20. peplaw06

    peplaw06 That Guy

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    How is it misleading?

    Giuliani still wasn't able to pick from anyone he wanted. He was provided with some names and had to choose. While true that you can't assume he chose the most conservative of the candidates every time, you definitely can't fault him for an 8:1 ratio of liberal judges appointed. THAT is the misleading part.

    That's misleading too. He was tough on crime, he was fiscally conservative, he changed zoning laws to move adult stores to the edges of neighborhoods....

    Is he less conservative than GW for example, of course. I'd think you'd be happy about that. He's closer to the center and that worries the dems, because that's really the only chance for a GOP candidate to win.

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