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Patriots Targeting Mark Barron

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by dgr81, Apr 19, 2012.

  1. CowboysYanksLakers

    CowboysYanksLakers Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry but I'm not buying this for one sec...
  2. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    Actually, I think he said there are about 4-6 elite players and then there are about 20-25 additional players that are first round worthy. That makes it an extremely deep first round and one where the late first round/early second round picks are highly valuable relative to other years. If 25-30 players are truly first round quality, then you know that some teams will draft lower quality players high and hence a number of the first round quality players will fall. That means that there will be first round quality players drafted in the early 2nd round.
  3. Eskimo

    Eskimo Well-Known Member

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    The thing is that I don't really believe there is a sudden drop off from pick 20 to 21. It flies in the face of logic that there would be such a sharp drop off in ability at that point in the draft.

    I'd need to see research proven over many years to suggest there is a marked difference in quality between players drafted say from positions 17-21 versus players drafted 22-26. If there were such a sharp cutoff I would expect 3 times as many Pro Bowlers in the first group compared to the second group. It just doesn't make sense to me.

    I don't mind dropping out of the range but I want a rich package of picks to build back up all the weak spots on this roster. This is a very deep draft and I think we need to generate 3-4 quality starters from this group if we are going to put ourselves back into contention for a SB.
  4. Randy White

    Randy White Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    I've been saying the same thing for a while now. I understand the concept of " keeping your powder dry " ( Jerry's own phrase ), but at some point you have to s or get off the pot. They're the perfect example against people who argue that the draft should be conducted " this way " or " that way ". There is no " sure way " to conduct a draft. All systems, theories, procedures, methods... whatever.., have flaws.

    Today in the NFL network I heard coach Billick say that " need is the worse evaluator in the draft ", which is UTTERLY ridiculous. The draft's primary function IS to fill " needs ". Now, to use " need " as the sole factor to make a pick is not smart and would most probably fail more times than not, but " need " is just as important as any other factor that's taken into consideration when making a pick.
  5. Beast_from_East

    Beast_from_East Well-Known Member

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    Draft picks are worth more now with a rookie cap, so the old draft chart is useless.

    For pick 14, I would want #27, #31, and a 3rd next year.


    If that price is too high, I stay put and draft Barron or DeCastro if available.
  6. Sarge

    Sarge Happy Holidays Staff Member

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    I just don't see NE trading up in that scenario.
  7. cowboysooner

    cowboysooner Well-Known Member

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    When you see guys like Whitney Mercilus and Brockers going off mock drafts around 25 it is a pretty deep draft. Those guys are first rounders in nearly any year and they have pro bowl potential with no major injuries in their history. I think it ends around 25-27. There will be some guys taken earlier that are not consensus first rounders due to need.
  8. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    I don't know how much the 14th pick was effected by the rookie cap. I think top 5 were definately effected and 6-10 were slightly effected. After that I think those contracts were already "under control." Only difference is it's set set in stone so there are no holdouts, but the money is likely similar.

    However, I wouldn't drop to 27 for just the 31rst pick, so we atleast agree there.
  9. DBOY3141

    DBOY3141 Well-Known Member

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    No way New England does that trade. That's not their game.

    No way I would drop that far back.

    Furthest I would trade back is to Cincy and i wouldn't do it unless I can get both their 1sts.
  10. Deep_Freeze

    Deep_Freeze Well-Known Member

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    Don't think they are mentioning us trading with NE, they mention NE trading with someone else to jump ahead of us to get Barron.

    That said, I don't see this happening in the visible universe.
  11. Fla Cowpoke

    Fla Cowpoke Well-Known Member

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    The new salary cap makes the top 10 picks more valuable, after that it really didn't change anything.

    The likely swap would be #14 and our 4th rounder for #27 and #31. I agree there is likely to be some very good talent at 27 and 31 to pair up. I think they would be a step down from what we could get individually at #14 though.

    I do like SDogo's suggestion of #14 for #27 and their second rounder. I think we would be better off getting another pick in the top two rounds and keeping our 4th.

    Fun to discuss the options though.

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