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PC gone too far?

Discussion in 'Off-topic Zone' started by Bob Sacamano, Mar 20, 2010.

  1. rkell87

    rkell87 Well-Known Member

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    lol bob argued throughout the thread that he had no authority to make the demand so yall agree!:laugh2:
    also i dont see where you are going with the statement, we know he made the demand?:confused: lol
  2. rkell87

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    lol there is no such thing as reverse discrimination, that would be fairness! lol. really it would be discrimination against the rest of the people in the store.
  3. silverbear

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    Yes, it does... racism is racial intolerance, and ordering those people out of the store was an act of intolerance...
  4. rkell87

    rkell87 Well-Known Member

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    now i know how silver got his 20000 posts lol
  5. silverbear

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    Apparently the state of New Jersey thinks the facts of this case warrant other charges... perhaps you should take that up with them...

    That's the clear impression you left...

    I believe I've answered that a number of times now...

    No, simple racial intolerance is racism, too... hatred is just a more virulent form of the disease...

    That seems to be your problem, you don't really understand what racism is...

    Targeting one racial group for a public insult is a racist act...

    And yet, I've shown a number of different dictionary definitions that coincide with that "redefinition"...

    Sorry if you have a problem with THEIR definition of the word, but in the end, it's your problem...

    Look at you, telling the state of New Jersey how they should enforce their laws... how completely arrogant of you...

    And in the end, that's how he'll be punished... so why exactly did you get your panties in a wad??

    I jumped into this thread because from the start, it seemed a lot of you seemed to be arguing that he shouldn't face any punishment at all for what he did... I find that stance to be quite incomprehensible...

    Now, from there the dialogue morphed into a broader discussion of what constitutes racism in general, and it seems that a lot of you don't agree with my take on that... inasmuch as I do not depend on the approval of this message board for my general sense of self-esteem, I reckon I can live with standing outside the mainstream on this one...
  6. silverbear

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    Hey, all I can do is judge him by his words...
  7. silverbear

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    Actually, I'd like to think you aren't... I just know that your laughing at ethios story about the skinheads struck me as really, really odd... there was nothing comical at all about that story...

    What I really suspect is that you have in the past had some problems with somebody accusing you of racism, so now you get up on a soapbox every time somebody else is accused of it... which is why I believe you started this thread...

    I can say that I thought you were better than you've showed in this thread, and that I'm really disappointed in you... as I said, I'll find it difficult to joke around with you in the future...
  8. silverbear

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    How sad that you're not in law enforcement in New Jersey, so that you could have helped avoid this outrage...

    I think that a lot of times, the state "overcharges", with the full intention of plea bargaining down to a lesser plea... I rather suspect that's what's going on here... I don't think he'll ever be convicted of "bias intimidation"; there was plenty of bias, but no real "intimidation"...
  9. silverbear

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    To me, racism is a sin...

    What a surprise, the shopliting animal abuser rejects judaeochristian ethics...
  10. silverbear

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    Are you trying to be obtuse?? I CLEARLY said that what he did didn't rise to a level of a hate crime, but it was a racist act...

    Not all racist acts are hate crimes... indeed, not all of them are crimes at all...
  11. silverbear

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    It may not have bothered him, but it bothered me... it seemed like an entirely inappropriate reaction to ethio's post...

    But maybe it was just me not appreciating an warped sense of humor...
  12. Hoofbite

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    Fill me in.
  13. silverbear

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    I don't think that racism necessarily involves hostility... it might be more fear, for example...
  14. silverbear

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    Well, I do consider what he did to be indefensible, and I wonder about people who are trying to justify it...

    It was an ugly, idiotic stunt, and he deserves to be punished for it...

    But like I said, thinking about what you said a little more, it might have just been you being you, trying to be a smart*** and sometimes, when we work too hard at that, some of our efforts come off a bit wrong... being a smart*** myself, I've been there and done that...

    But yeah, what you said struck me as really wrong... there's nothing funny about an innocent black man being threatened by a bunch of skinheads, not to me anyway...
  15. silverbear

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    I guess I just think that racism is a broader term, a broader problem, than you do...

    But as long as you're not vicitimizing other people with your deep-seated, uncontrollable racial attitudes, then in my mind you're not a practicing racist...

    The key word there being "practicing"...

    And I do understand that often racism is thrown around as an excuse, that the accusation is overused...

    I fundamentally disagree with that, and like I said, I've been guilty of it myself... I'm not going holier than thou on anybody here...

    I do... I think that it's the best way to forcefully drive home that what he did was really, really wrong...

    And it was... now, I might swing over to your side if they throw him in jail or something... but make him sweat some, then put him on probation and make him perform community service...
  16. silverbear

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    Hey, that's legitimate enough... poor people are often desperate, and desperate people can be dangerous...

    Again, when did I suggest that was the case??

    You keep acting as if I'm trying to force people to believe the way I do, when all I'm doing is forcefully defending what I believe to be right...
  17. silverbear

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    Look closely, and you might notice that a number of the definitions of the word "racism" that I offered included the word "discrimination"...

    This should tell you that discrimination is a central element of racism...

    So, when you say the kid engaged in discrimination but not racism, you seem to be trying to separate the two, when most wordsmiths consider the linked...

    Which was a racist act on his part...
  18. silverbear

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    Oh yeah, I'm quite sure this 16 year old kid was up on the litigation history of WalMart...

    ROTFLMAO...
  19. silverbear

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    Whether or not he had the authority is quite irrelevant... the patrons didn't know he was not a WalMart official...

    He told the black patrons to leave the store...
  20. rkell87

    rkell87 Well-Known Member

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    i think we all agree but what we dont agree with is that what he did was illegal(yes i relize he was charged but really, c'mon) and that this should be handled by the parents not the court system and for me at least i view it as a waste of my taxt dollars

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