People are clueless when it comes to Witten

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  1. revospeed

    revospeed Well-Known Member

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    So today I randomly googled "best tight ends of all time" and I found three of the worst rankings of TEs ever. Any list that does not have Jason Witten at 1,2 or maybe with a good argument, 3, is complete bunk.

    Here are the three lists ranking the best tight ends of all time that I found.

    http://www.si.com/nfl/photos/2015/12/08/top-10-nfl-tight-ends-all-time

    In this list, Witten is ranked 8th.

    http://athlonsports.com/nfl/25-greatest-tight-ends-nfl-history-2016

    On this list of 25, Witten is ranked 9th.

    http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/10-greatest-nfl-tight-ends-of-allĀ­-time.html/?a=viewall

    And on the worst list of greatest TEs of all time, Witten is not ranked in the top 10.

    What makes matters even worse are the people that are ranked above Witten. You have names like Ben Coates, Antonio Gates, Kellen Winslow, Shannon Sharpe, Gronkowski, and Mike Ditka ahead of him consistently. The only players that you could make a reasonable argument are better than Witten are John Mackey and Tony Gonzalez (if you consider him a TE)

    But Ben Coates? I'm not even going to dignify that with a response.

    Antonio Gates? This one really gets me. You mean the guy that can't block, has been busted for steroids and still has inferior stats than Witten? He's been the #1 receiver in San Diego for a decade and still doesn't match up with Witten.

    Kellen Winslow? One game doesn't make you better than Witten. He had a great career, but he's no Witten.

    Shannon Sharpe? Inferior numbers, a mouth that won't quit and an aversion to blocking?

    Gronkowski? He's great. No doubt. But not yet and not if he can't stay healthy. Gimme Witten.

    Dave Casper? Todd Christensen? See Ben Coates.

    Jason Witten ranks first all time in receptions and yards for a TE and third in receiving TDs for a TE. His blocking is great. He's not going to drive anyone off the line, but he's always in great position. He's been an absolute iron man and the consummate teammate.

    I would by a hypocrite if I bashed other people's list without giving my own, so here's my list of best TEs of all time.

    1. Jason Witten
    2. John Mackey
    3. Rob Gronkowski- The only thing that can stop him from surpassing Witten is injury
    4. Ozzie Newsome
    5. Mike Ditka
    6. Kellen Winslow
    7. Shannon Sharpe
    8. Antonio Gates- Gets dinged for testing positive for steroids.
    9. Dave Casper
    10. Jay Novacek

    *Despite having a TE next to his name on the roster, Tony Gonzalez is not a tight end. If you spent 90% of your career split out, without your hand in the dirt, you're a wide receiver, not a tight end. He's a great receiver though.
     
  2. Proximo

    Proximo Well-Known Member

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    I think casual fans don't give Witten the credit he deserves because he's simply not "spectacular".

    He does just about everything a team could ask a TE to do.

    I half jokingly said to my wife during one of our recent games- "Jason Witten is the greatest football player ever created. He came from outer space". :D
     
  3. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    You left off Jackie Smith.

    Novacek was a good piece of the 90s Cowboys success, but he is not one of the 10 best tight ends of all time.
     
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  4. TheCoolFan

    TheCoolFan Well-Known Member

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    Tony Gonzalez is the GOAT...he revolutionized the position. Just because it's not your "traditional" TE doesn't mean he should be only considered as a receiver. I think even Witten will tell you that Gonzalez was the best.
     
  5. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    It's an impossible comparison. It's really two different positions. I've heard heard it referred to as Y-inline and Y-split with Witten being inline and Gonzalez being split. Some have called the Gonzalez position Y-ISO but that was really intended to just identify when the TE was the only receiver on that side of the formation and could be inline or split.

    If they asked Gonzalez to block like Witten it would be a fail.

    Of TEs that were legit blockers, Witten is the best receiver in that group by a big margin.
     
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  6. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    Gronk says hi
     
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  7. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    And on top of that, when ever you talk about different eras, there's just a ton of subjectivity that goes into Rankings, just because his numbers are better, doesn't mean his impact on the game is greater than some of these old timers.
     
  8. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    From his Doctor's office or sofa...
     
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  9. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    which has nothing to do with your claim that of the TEs that are legit blockers, Witten's the best WR by a large margin. Gronk being hurt right now, does not make that statement true.
     
  10. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    This thread was about all time best. If you open the question to players that had the most physical talent or that had the best season, then a whole slew of players would likely enter the discussion.

    If you just want to go by pure physical talent, it does not get much better than MartyB. I have not watching him much in recent years, but I saw him in training camp with the Cowboys and his talent was amazing.He could probably have filled in at OT because he was that good of a blocker, yet he looked like a WR running around in receiving drills.

    Like Gronk, he's only had 1 season where he started all 16 games. He did have 90 catches one season, but that's the only season where a team just fed him the ball.
     
  11. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    You really aren't making any sense. Gronk is not some guy who never reached his potential due to injury, he already has more career TDs than Witten. He's already been a first team All Pro 4 times, which is two more than Witten. He has 1 fewer 1000 yard season. Gronk belongs in any conversation of the best TEs ever, and to say that of all the legit blockers at TE Witten is the best receiver by a large margin is just incorrect, because Gronk is more than legit at blocking and great receiver. Witten may get the nod due to longevity, but there is no wide margin what so ever despite him being injured.
     
  12. 65fastback2plus2

    65fastback2plus2 Well-Known Member

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    hardly...that system runs around throwing gronk the ball, he's their #1 WR...of course he's going to have better pass stats than someone playing with TO, Dez, etc. derp.
     
  13. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    so does not Gronk not belong in a discussion of the all time great TEs or are you suggesting there is a wide margin in the receiving ability of Gronk and Witten, because those are the two statements I disagreed with.
     
  14. BraveHeartFan

    BraveHeartFan We got a hat. I want a ring.

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    I'm sorry but I simply will not take any list, from any person, about TE's even remotely serious if it leaves Witten off the top 10.
     
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  15. CalPolyTechnique

    CalPolyTechnique Well-Known Member

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    For many years, the passing game in Dallas ran through Witten.
     
  16. CalPolyTechnique

    CalPolyTechnique Well-Known Member

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    I liken Witten as the Cal Ripken of football.

    He was unquestionably durable throughout his career and was very productive throughout his career. That said, I don't think many people would argue Cal Ripken as the greatest shortstop in MLB history and I wouldn't argue Witten as the GOAT in football history either, though he should definitely be Top 5-6 IMO.
     
  17. HappyOnions

    HappyOnions Datwin

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    In my opinion, Jason Witten is the best TE I've ever seen play. No other player had his ability to block as well as catch passes.

    Obviously, guys like Gonzalez, Gronk, Gates, Graham, etc. are all more dynamic playmakers...but none of them have the blocking ability of Witten.
     
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