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Twitter: Phil Costa retires from NFL

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by WoodysGirl, Apr 21, 2014.

  1. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    Furthermore you have an UDFA who was forced into action before he was ready and actually had some good games if you believe PFF. He was replaced which was a no brainer by a first round choice who....against all odds....took Costa's job. Now who would ever imagine a first round choice beating out an UDFA? Stunning development huh?

    So there is absolutely no reason for anyone to crow about saying an UDFA is going to stay in the league long term. It's 90%+ odds they won't make it. So taking curtain calls over following the odds and crowing when they predictably come true looks more like look at me; I predicted something that almost always happens. I'm so smart. Where's my medal???

    Forgive me if I'm not impressed nor most of the fan base here.

    As far as pulling for the guy, of course most of us did as we should. He's got the uniform on so he gets our support; except for the few who just want to strut, troll and generally be negative. I guess I'd call them fans of the dark side more interested in being all about me than being what most fans are....being about the team.

    Give us all a break for awhile. Your act is old and consciously divisive and disruptive which appears to be the goal.
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  2. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    I am glad that you was smart enough to see what Costa really was. You are actually supporting our position on Costa. Some posters could never bring themselves to see that he was an undrafted jag that needed upgrading. Pat yourself on the back for not wasting time believing in Costa. He was a waste of a roster space.
  3. DallasEast

    DallasEast Cowboys 24/7/365 Zone Supporter

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    Certainly, I had little love for Phil Costa. I made a pic of him as a T-Rex centering for Andrew Luck a short while back. Too often in my opinion, the guy could not anchor the apex of Romo's pocket. The pocket would compress back into Romo's face. I would find myself shaking my head way too many times while watching games through my former high school center's eyes.

    That said, shouldn't there be some sort of universal context held for what 'being pushed out the league' means? For goodness sakes, I always thought it meant the league got rid of you permanently. It's happened forever. You get your foot in the door, try your best, get cut and rarely get the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity again.

    Did Costa retire? Or did he get cut? I mean, heck, didn't... didn't Cole Beasley quit football entirely once upon a time? Wasn't Kurt Warner bagging groceries at some point? Didn't Adrian Foster get released his first preseason? The Ravens cut an undrafted Jeff Saturday. Big whoop.

    Yeah, the aforementioned guys were/are more talented in their positions than Phil Costa in my opinion, but so what? They were on the outside looking in, got their chance, and ran with it. Costa isn't on the outside looking in because he got cut. It doesn't mean he wasn't GOING to be cut eventually, but seriously. The guy retired. Apparently, he has given up the NFL for some reason. What are people going to say if he suddenly un-retires and, signs with a team and actually plays meaningful minutes of I-can't-hold-the-crown-of-this-pocket-for-point-six-seconds?

    Where's the freaking context?
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  4. casmith07

    casmith07 I'm the best poster in the game!

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    The context is they can thump their chest at the expense of a man playing football in order to proclaim how right they are. Their self-esteem depends on it.
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  5. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    Quincy Carter signed with the Jets.

    Learn from your mistakes, Cowboys.
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  6. Joe Rod

    Joe Rod When Keeping it Real Goes Wrong

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    I never understood why Costa was such a hot topic around here honestly. If memory serves, there was a small group of vocal posters who felt he was starting caliber (granted, some of the most vocal thought he might be pro-bowl caliber). I never thought the guy could be a quality center in the league, perhaps a decent back-up. But, his failure is something to get all riled up over? I don't get it, it seems a stretch for a bunch of people posting on a message forum.
  7. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    I wouldn't say no clue. The fact he was healthy and more familiar with the system would lead you to believe he would play better.
  8. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl Shut up and play! Staff Member

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    I saw a NFL communications thing quoting Goodell. De Smith is still suggesting that it's only 3.2 years. Ultimately the point is, a 4th round pick injured like Matt Johnson has been doesn't and shouldn't get too many opportunities to perform. This is pretty much a do or die year for him.
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  9. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl Shut up and play! Staff Member

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    Ultimately, it's about being right. People can say it isn't, but it is. People want to be right. People want to be acknowledged for being right and it doesn't matter what side of the fence you're on.

    Some of the more hopeful felt he was a solid player. Some of the less hopeful (understatement of the year) felt he was a total scrub. Neither are particularly wrong in their assessment.
  10. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl Shut up and play! Staff Member

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    As a rookie, most folks are usually excited about a guy's potential. I don't see that as a bad thing. That's a time you should WANT to hope a guy is successful. Then he got injured.

    2nd year, again folks just want to be hopeful, but nobody was proclaiming him to be an all-star caliber player. What it means is that we have this guy on our roster who can fill a position of need and he seemed to be doing well in the offseason...and then he got hurt again. smhy

    So here we are going into the 2014 season... how many "pump-up" type threads have there been about Matt Johnson. I haven't seen one. He's on the 3-year rule and everybody has lost their patience. Nobody cares about Matt Johnson. Nobody cares about his rehab. Nobody's dusting off his college highlights to promote him. It was a ridiculous assertion by Risen.
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  11. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    yes, you should hope and want that the player on your team should be successful but that should not cloud your judgement

    constantly waving pom poms is no way to go through life

    when you pick a scrub and try to prop him up to make your pick look good and fans blindly clamor to do the same and deride and ridicule other fans who try to point the obvious, this response is not unreasonable

    how many posts/threads do you think we would have had if costa had become the long-term starting OC for the cowboys?

    you may not like it or want to admit it but it is true nonetheless
  12. BraveHeartFan

    BraveHeartFan We got a hat. I want a ring.

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    Well good luck to him. Obviously he didn't love playing anymore and it just wasn't worth it to him.
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  13. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    I never said it was a savior starter contract. Nobody did. It was a two year deal, above vet minimum. Again, the hurdle of proving people wrong on the NFL's estimation of the player's ability to play in this league was not high.
  14. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    Is there anything wrong with being right? I think the fact that posters like Risen should be respected more by his critics when he is right more than their hero, Jerry Jones. It don't happen because he does not follow the homer line. I find it funny that a certain group of posters blast Risen's opinions and attack him to no end and when the truth plays out, Risen has a better understanding of the game than they do. When it is pointed out, you get the usual lines about Risen being negative or Risen is a troll and much more. Risen happens to be a fan that thinks for himself and doesn't assume that the GM has better football judgement than he does. That is not popular because it shows how bad this team is actually run. Many posters treat this team like their children. They don't want anybody saying anything negative about the team and they are very protective of it. Some of us just believe in tough love and judge our favorite team harsher because we want and expect more from it. It is a difference in parenting styles.
  15. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Quincy was released by the Jets.

    Costa retired from the Colts.

    Not exactly the same thing.
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  16. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    Being right is nice. But in my case, at least, a good part of it is an aversion to seeing our fans dump on a player who overcame long odds and some physical limitations to not only make an NFL roster, but earn the starting job. Personally, I hate it when fans dump on a guy like that, and I dislike it even more when they do it unfairly and then refuse so much as a "my bad" before moving on to complain about the next borderline-but-developing player.

    The high-effort, over performers deserve more respect in my book. I don't like to see them trashed as long as they represent a good value to the Cowboys and are working hard and improving. Give me guys like Phil Costa over the Brewsters of the world, any day.
  17. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl Shut up and play! Staff Member

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    On the flip side, wallowing in mud and dirt and negativity is no way to go through life either. You'll never see the good things when all you see is bad.

    Pot meet kettle... Because on the flip side, same folks will come into a thread and wiz all over it and ridicule posters for taking a glass half full stance and ridicule other fans who disagree with what they consider obvious... Yeah, you see how that works?

    Back atcha.. lol
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  18. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl Shut up and play! Staff Member

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    Nothing wrong with being right... But wanting credit for it on an internet messageboard? Blah, go get your props elsewhere.

    All the drivel about Risen, I honestly don't care about, it's completely irrelevant, but if you'd like pom poms to keep cheering him on, go for it. lol

    You can pick any member on this board who feels just as strongly about this team, can communicate their opinion just as well, and whose opinions are just as informed, and will get the same treatment as Risen and it doesn't matter if that person is a positive or negative.
  19. Seven

    Seven Messenger to the football Gods

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    Good post.

    The dude beat all odds and actually started for the Dallas Cowboys. Albeit the stars were all in alignment for that to happen he still put in the work, IMO.

    Isn't this what we tell our kids? if you want something, work hard, give one hundred percent and never quit. Costa, at the very least, did that.

    Now, this doesn't forgive the klutz's that put the team in that position in the first place. It's exactly this fashion of management that frustrates the masses.
  20. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    i am sure you are smarter than the one-sided argument you are making

    the difference is that some of us can point out the bad while still praising the FO for good decisions, like picking T Fred and Williams (and there are may more such examples like signing Melton, etc)

    the usual suspects blindly praise everything the FO does and ridicule posters that have the capacity to be objective

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