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Pit Bull Owners... 6 yr old dies after attack

Discussion in 'Off-topic Zone' started by Dallas, Aug 19, 2008.

  1. Dallas

    Dallas Old bulletproof tiger

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    Just wanted to say a friend of my brothers lost his little girl yesterday. She was attacked by the family dog last week and has been in the hospital fighting for her life since. They took her off life suport yesterday. She then lapsed into a vegetative state and died moments later. She was 6.

    Police say she and her baby sitter were in playing w/ Dozer the family pit-pull when all of the sudden it lunged at the 6 yr olds neck. The sitter then tore into the dog. The dog then released the little girl and went after the baby-sitter. Her BF next door heard the screams and came over. He then ran to get his gun. He came back and shot the dog in the leg. The attack stopped but the damage had already been done to the little girl.

    Animal control later came and took the dog away and put it down that very night.

    I post this because all I hear about is defense of these animals. Its strange really. I have been around dogs my entire life and not once have I been around a breed that just snaps so uncontrollably.

    I have raised many Rottweilers (all clean AKC lines)

    I have raised Dobermans (all clean AKC lines)

    6 years we raised and bred these animals and not once did we hear anything at all bad coming back from our litters.

    I just don't understand the breed. Why do these animals always seem to be in the paper killing children? It's usally children or old ladies and old men.

    You will get the Rotts in the papers now and again for attacking someone or killing someone. The thing that is constant is that Pit's are constantly in the papers regarding most attacks.
  2. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    If someone's pit bull killed my 5 year old or 3 month old...I guess the family would have two grave losses. I just may end up prison for what i would do to the owner.
  3. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    I have had 3, still have one of them, and NONE of them have ever been aggressive towards people. Now other dogs is another story.

    Couple of things to consider. The majority (around 90% last time I checked) of dogs that attack are unaltered. Meaning they have not been fixed. It also happens that most attacks are from Male dogs, also around 90%.

    So you got a male dog who has not been fixed...chances are you have dramatically increased the chances of attacks. To which I always tell people when they get dogs, unless they are breeders, to get your pets fixed. We always have had our dogs fixed.

    Some other things of interest. The highest bite/fatality rate appears to be children from 5-9 years old.

    I have also found that if you get a mixed breed dog (for a pit or rott) you DRAMATICALLY reduce the chance for an attack.

    I happen to believe that too many breeders go for the big and mean gene for these dogs. They take the aggressive dogs and breed them to keep them aggressive.

    Get a pup from the pound or get one off someone you know where the dog looks just like the breed you want although it is a mixed breed.

    Again, something we have done. We have never got a pit that was purebred.

    Now those are just the areas that have nothing to do with how a person treats or trains a dog...the way people treat or train a dog also can play a big role.

    Problem with people with pits and other dogs of that nature is they want purebred dogs with big heads and bodies and later don't want to get them fixed so they think they can become breeders and make a buck or two. Chances are they will not make much money breeding the dogs and they put their families at risk because of their stupidity.
  4. Hostile

    Hostile Tacos are a good investment Zone Supporter

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    Man that's sad.
  5. heavyg

    heavyg Active Member

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    That is very sad. My thoughts and prayers go out to the family.

    I am with Brain. I have owned pittbulls almost all my life. It wasn't until recently I got rid of my pittbull. Due to so many restrictions in Oklahoma. I have never once had a people aggressive pittbull. If you read up on the bread they should NEVER show aggression towards a human. Animal aggression is another story. A pittbull with human aggression either has very poor breeding or was not raised properly.
  6. Rampage

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    another reason you always see this dogs in the papers hurting people is they are guard dogs. the way they're trained, the violence towards these dogs and the recent popularity(they got real popular again in the last 6-10 years) is screwing with there genes. they used to be known as very smart dogs who really wouldn't attack unless someone tried to harm there owner. but than you add that Dog fighting which has been around forever but gained more popularity recently is screwing a lot of these dogs up.
  7. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    That goes to the breeding and puppy mills over breeding, sometimes breeding within the dogs family, leading to troubles in order to try to up the supply of the animals.

    Again as I stated before. Most people are better off buying a young pup from an animal shelter or from someone you know who is not a breeder. You are better off if the pit is not a purebred dog and you should get your dog fixed.

    Take those steps, treat and train the dog well and chances are you will not have a problem with the dogs.
  8. Rampage

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    that's what it comes down to for me. I used to have a mutt named Duke. he was part Akita/Doberman/Great Dane and was a solid 165 pounds. Most people were scared of him at 1st because of his size but once they got to him they loved him. my mom treated him like a baby and he was given the most love we could give him. whenever we grilled burgers or hot dogs even if we got burgers from Mcdonalds or something Duke always got his own. basically if you give you're dog love,food, and exercise you should have very little problems no matter what the breed is.
  9. DFWJC

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    That sounds logical, and I feel sure you are a very responsible owner. Nevertheless, this planet would be better off with no Pits...unless somehow they are found to have genes that can used to cure cancer or something.
    No offense, jmo.
  10. tomson75

    tomson75 Brain Dead Shill

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    Spot on.

    I love the breed, but would hesitate to get a purebred pit.

    I have a pit-boxer...most lovable dog ever.

    I've always wanted a pit-american bulldog...pit-bull looks with the docile, loving nature of a am. bulldog.

    Breeders are usually at fault here. Not the dogs.

    ....and proper training works immeasurably.
  11. hairic

    hairic Well-Known Member

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    The planet? Or just your neighborhood? I can think of pages of worse animals to exterminate before I'd start thinking about domesticated pets.
  12. Doomsday

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    Leaving any dog alone with a small child is just plain dumb in my opinion.
  13. trickblue

    trickblue Old Testament... Zone Supporter

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    Man, Dallas... that is just a terrible story. My thoughts and prayers are with the family. Trace the lineage of that dog and you will likely find a professional fighter in the line...

    I have no problem with Pit Bulls as a whole... in fact my former neighbor had 27 at one time and he swore I was the only person never bitten who had been around them...

    The problem is that they are a VERY powerful breed and many are bred to fight. Most families never know the lineage of their dog and that is important...

    I don't think the breed is inherently bad by any means, but I do think they have been ruined by arsehole humans who think it is cool to watch a fellow mammal rip another one apart for money and they breed them to do just that. The breed has become a dangerous unknown and I do understand the concern.

    There is no simple answer as you have responsible, loving owners like BP and Yeag, but I wouldn't risk owning one around my children as dumbarses are ruining this once fine breed.
  14. DemonBlood

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    Damn, that's a little harsh don't you think? I can see where you're coming from though. This is why I have hesitated to ever get a dog...I guess I'll just stick with cats. I almost got a Siberian Huskie puppy from a friend but changed my mind at the last second. I really wanted it :(


    Very sad story Dallas.
  15. AmarilloCowboyFan

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    Exactly!

    It doesn't matter if you get a non-full blood pit, a full blood pit, raise it lovingly...any of that. The fact of the matter is that ANY dog can snap. They are animals. It doesn't matter if it is the most gently Cocker in the world, they are still animals and can snap. The difference is with most dogs they will just snap at you or bite ya then quit. A pit won't stop until it is killed, pulled off, or until the victim is dead. Plain and simple. They are dangerous animals and should be outlawed. IMO
  16. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    I'll stay with door #1.....the planet. hey , jmo.

    And I do hear your point....my point would play off of that. They are domestic pets, not animals in the wild. The irony is that I've seen and played with many very sweet pit bulls, but they serve no purpose.
    I'm not making a stand here...it's just my take.
  17. heavyg

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    MYTH: All Pit Bulls are mean and vicious.

    It is reported on temperament tests conducted by the American Temperament Test Society that Pit Bulls had a passing rate of 82% or better -- compared to only 77% of the general dog population.

    These temperament tests consist of putting a dog through a series of unexpected situations, some involving strangers.

    Any signs of unprovoked aggression or panic in these situations result in failure of the test. The achievement of Pit Bulls in this study disproves that they are inherently aggressive to people. (Please visit ATTS.org)

    MYTH: A Pit Bull that shows aggression towards an animal will go for people next.

    "Many working breeds have antipathy towards other animals - coonhounds go mad at the sight of a raccoon, foxhounds will not hesitate to tear a dog-like fox to shreds, greyhounds live to chase and maul rabbits and even dog-like coyotes. Even the ever-friendly beagle will slaughter a rabbit, given the chance.

    And yet the greyhound, coon and foxhound and beagle are among the friendliest of breeds towards humans. And it is the same with the pit bulldog. His work through the years has been control of other animals - never humans. A correct pit bull is more often than not submissive toward all humans, and adores children.

    A pit bull that snarls, lunges or growls at non-threatening humans is NOT typical of the breed." (Written by Diane Jessup)
    Pit bulls that do show aggressive behavior towards humans are not typical of the breed and should be humanely euthanized.

    MYTH: If a Pit Bull was never trained to fight, it will be safe with other dogs.

    Pit Bulls can live peacefully with other dogs and animals. However, the Pit Bull has historically been bred to take down large animals. Early and continual socialization can help a Pit Bull be more animal friendly. Genetics, however, play an important role in how the dog will respond to other dogs and animals.

    A Pit Bull that will fight another dog if unattended is a normal Pit Bull. Even if a Pit Bull does not start the fight, it has the potential to seriously injure or kill a dog once in the fight.

    The Pit Bull has been bred to not back down and withstand pain until the goal is met. This quality does not carry true in all Pit Bulls, but it is safe to assume it is a potential in any Pit Bull in order to avoid unnecessary problems.
    Pit Bulls have a late maturity, and a Pit Bull that was dog friendly at 7 months old may suddenly show signs of intolerance of unfamiliar dogs around two years old. Spaying and neutering the dog may help to prevent "turning on" the genetic urge to fight another dog.

    All dog fights are preventable, however. Socialize a Pit Bull slowly with new dogs, and never let them play unattended. Remove items such as toys and food bowls to avoid stress.

    Pit Bulls can live happily with other pets; if not left unattended. Even the "best of friends" can fight, and the outcome may be tragic. This can be true for dogs that have been together for years. Often, after the first serious fight, relations between the dogs are never the same.

    Keeping that first fight from happening is a great way to ensure peaceful relations for the long run. If there is a multiple-dog household, it is important to separate the dogs when there is no one home.

    Many people use crates for short times, put dogs into separate rooms, use kennels, or have outdoor areas set up for separation that are safe and secure. Pit Bulls can get along wonderfully with animals like cats, rabbits, and ferrets, but for safety's sake, never leave them alone together.

    MYTH: American Pit Bull Terriers have 1600 P.S.I. in jaw pressure

    Dr. Lehr Brisbin of the University of Georgia states, "To the best of our knowledge, there are no published scientific studies that would allow any meaningful comparison to be made of the biting power of various breeds of dogs.

    There are, moreover, compelling technical reasons why such data describing biting power in terms of "pounds per square inch" can never be collected in a meaningful way. All figures describing biting power in such terms can be traced to either unfounded rumor or, in some cases, to newspaper articles with no foundation in factual data."

    MYTH: American Pit Bull Terriers lock their jaws.

    Dr. Brisbin: "The few studies which have been conducted of the structure of the skulls, mandibles and teeth of pit bulls show that, in proportion to their size, their jaw structure and thus its inferred functional morphology, is no different than that of any breed of dog.

    There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of any kind of "locking mechanism" unique to the structure of the jaw and/or teeth of the American Pit Bull Terrier.

    MYTH: Treadmills are only used to get dogs ready to fight.

    Many responsible owners utilize treadmills to help exercise their dogs. This is useful in places where weather prevents outdoor exercise, or in situations where off-leash exercise in not an option.

    The treadmill is used by people that show their Pit Bulls, and do sporting activities like weight pull and agility to help keep their dogs in shape. Because Pit Bulls are athletic animals, responsibly using a treadmill can help them be healthier and happier.

    MYTH: Pit Bulls brains swell/never stop growing.

    This rumor started with the Doberman, and has since been said about game-bred dogs in general. The concept of an animal's brain swelling or growing too large and somehow causing the animal to "go crazy" is not based in truth in any way.

    Their brains grow at the same rate as any other dog, and the only time that a Pit Bull's brain is going to swell is if it receives a serious injury. If an animal's brain were to grow too big for its head, the animal would die.

    MYTH: It is unsafe to get a Pit Bull from a rescue or shelter because their past/genetics are unknown.

    Under the best of circumstances, it is great to know the history of a dog, the history and health of its parents, and what that line of dogs were bred for.

    If a person is buying a Pit Bull from a breeder, this information should be of top importance. However, in most shelter/rescue cases this information is not available. The Pit Bull at the shelter will often be a wonderful pet. It is important to know the general behavior of the dog.

    Has it shown any aggression towards humans? Most Pit Bull rescues will not accept or adopt out Pit Bulls with any level of aggression or excessive shyness towards humans. How does this dog do with other dogs? Has it shown any undesirable behavior or habits?

    It is suggested that a potential adopter of a Pit Bull bring the whole family to meet the dog. Often, shelters and rescues will allow you to take the dog for a home visit to see how they respond to the new surroundings. Most adoptions of a Pit Bull are amazing successes, and the adopter is not only receiving a pet, but they are also saving a life!

    MYTH: It is best to get a puppy so that you can make it behave how you want it to.
    Many people feel if they get a Pit Bull as a puppy they can train it to not be aggressive towards other dogs and increase the likelihood that the dog will have no undesirable behavior qualities.

    Puppies can be a lot of fun and very rewarding, but with a new puppy there is no way of knowing how that dog will act as an adult.

    One benefit of adopting a young adult or full grown Pit Bull is the ability to avoid the uncomfortable puppy behavior stage. This includes constant destructive chewing, house breaking, excessive and uncontrollable energy, teething and puppy biting, possible whining, howling, and barking for attention at night, and the time and effort it takes to begin teaching general manners and obedience.

    Another benefit is that an adopter can know how an adult Pit Bull will do with other dogs, cats, children, car rides, and other certain situations. Bringing a puppy up in the most loving and social environment can only alter its predetermined genetic urges so much.

    In other words, having a dog since puppyhood does not necessarily mean it will have all of the qualities desired in a pet. It may end up having some traits that are undesirable. An adult Pit Bull, however, will have more of an established personality, and an adopter can know what to expect with the dog.

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