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  1. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    1. Matthew Stafford, Georgia 6-2, 225
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 1
    Post-Combine Skinny: He didn't solidify himself as the No. 1 quarterback, but he didn't falter in the slightest. Not quite as big as expected, but ran extremely well with a 4.81.
    Positives: Tremendous arm strength … Tough … Right mentality to be a franchise quarterback.
    Negatives: Not huge. Barely 6-3 … While good at Georgia, he didn’t win enough big games and so far has been more of a tools prospect than an on-field producer.

    2. Josh Freeman, Kansas State 6-6, 248
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 3
    Post-Combine Skinny: A huge winner from the workouts. Extremely athletic for a player of his size. Impressed more and more with every passing moment.
    Positives: Prototype size and strength. Can move, too. … Had to try to carry bad KSU teams … experienced and young. … Huge arm.
    Negatives: Still a bit unknown. Had to press too much to make things happen. … Needs to play up to his size and work on his throwing motion.

    3. Mark Sanchez, USC 6-3, 227
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 2
    Post-Combine Skinny: Passed every test. Showed real, honest fire and passion for the game off the field, measured up to Matthew Stafford on it. Cranked out a solid 9-8 broad jump and scored high marks for throwing when he wasn't expected to.
    Positives: Quick release. Good at getting the ball out of his hands in a hurry … Great fire. He’s not Matt Leinart … Can move.
    Negatives: Was fine at USC, but not elite … Barely 6-3 … NFL arm, but not jaw-dropping … If Pete Carroll didn’t think he was ready, what’s the issue?

    4. Nate Davis, Ball State 6-1, 226
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 4
    Post-Combine Skinny: Looked smooth and showed off his arm, but everyone was looking for more athleticism and speed that wasn't there.
    Positives: Great arm and excellent production … Can move in pocket and out … Bad weather thrower.
    Negatives: Not huge … A system player? He was put in great situations … Not a fiery leader.

    5. Pat White, West Virginia 6-0, 197
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 11
    Post-Combine Skinny: Told everyone he'd be willing to work at receiver, but he threw extremely well and tore off a solid 4.55.
    Positives: Elite, offense-defining running skills … Smart, with good enough arm to get by … Clutch … A winner.
    Negatives: Small and likely not durable as an every down quarterback … Average arm.

    6. Cullen Harper, Clemson 6-3, 225
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 5
    Post-Combine Skinny: Lifted 225 19 times. He ran well enough and he was more than fine throwing it.
    Positives: Good arm and mobility … Got through a tough situation last year … Tough and competitive.
    Negatives: He didn’t produce as expected with the spotlight on … Has work to do on delivery … Tries to do too much at times.

    7. Rhett Bomar, Sam Houston State 6-2, 225
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 6
    Post-Combine Skinny: A bit erratic with his throws, but he ran well, moved well, and lifted an benched 25 reps.
    Positives: Great arm and excellent physical skills … Fiery competitor. … Made the players around him better at SHSU.
    Negatives: Didn’t face top-shelf competition … Reconstructed knee … Not huge.

    8. Curtis Painter, Purdue 6-3, 225
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 7
    Post-Combine Skinny: Moved well for his size. Pressed a bit, but he didn't make any major mistakes. Didn't stand out, either.
    Positives: Mobile and productive when he gets rolling … Good character. Good guy.
    Negatives: Struggled to make his receivers better last year … Didn’t lead the offense to consistent production.

    9. John Parker Wilson, Alabama 6-2, 219
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 8
    Post-Combine Skinny: Ran well, looked strong. Solidified himself as a possible third rounder.
    Positives: Game manager … Solid passer with nice mechanics … Veteran who saw it all.
    Negatives: Not big. Not a prototype … Mediocre arm … Not mobile enough for his size.

    10. Hunter Cantwell, Louisville 6-4, 235
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 10
    Post-Combine Skinny: Big and lumbering. His delivery change from the Senior Bowl was a plus. Measured big.
    Positives: Great size and excellent arm …. Looks the part and could be good with the right coaching.
    Negatives: A statue … Needs a lot of seasoning and reps. Only started one year and was average.

    11. Nathan Brown, Central Arkansas 6-1, 219
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 9
    Post-Combine Skinny: Didn't run a fast 40 (4.91), but was athletic to make up for his lack of size.
    Positives: Ultra-productive bomber … Very accurate. Good winner … Solid arm.
    Negatives: Central Arkansas … Not mobile enough for his size … Small. Too small.

    12. Drew Willy, Buffalo 6-3, 215
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 15
    Post-Combine Skinny: If you liked him before, you love him now. Wasn't too fast, but was athletic. Moved well.
    Positives: Veteran four-year starter … Nice game manager and good leader … Accurate.
    Negatives: Not a great athlete … Good arm, not great.

    13. Graham Harrell, Texas Tech 6-2, 223
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 12
    Post-Combine Skinny: He was exactly as expected. Didn't run well, but threw fine when he wasn't under pressure.
    Positives: Ultra-productive … Tough as nails, especially for his size. Doesn’t get rattled … Great tough and timing.
    Negatives: Doesn’t have an NFL arm … System quarterback who needs work under center … Not tall.

    14. Chase Daniel, Missouri 6-0, 218
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 13
    Post-Combine Skinny: Measured up to the magical 6-0 mark, but he wasn't fast in the 40. Shortest arms of the QBs by far.
    Positives: Ultimate leader. Very fiery competitor … Great accuracy and production when he gets on a roll … Mobile.
    Negatives: Too short … Will be compared to Drew Brees because of size and production, but he isn’t Drew Brees … Gets in trouble when he tries to do too much.

    15. Willie Tuitama, Arizona 6-4, 230
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 14
    Post-Combine Skinny: Wasn't Invited To The Combine
    Positives: Good size and bulk. Looks the part … NFL arm with decent mobility in the pocket … Accurate.
    Negatives: Durabilty a major problem … Was fine at Arizona, but not special. Didn’t blow up as expected.

    16. Stephen McGee, Texas A&M 6-3, 235
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 19
    Post-Combine Skinny: Created a stir with his speed. His 4.66 40 was second only to Pat White. Ran well, and was fine throwing.
    Positives: Great runner … Quick learner. Can pick up any system right away.
    Negatives: Lost his job as a senior partly due to a shoulder injury … Not an elite arm.

    17. Tom Brandstater, Fresno State 6-5, 220
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 17
    Post-Combine Skinny: Measured as big as advertised. Was surprisingly agile and threw well.
    Positives: Excellent size and good arm … Could be a sleeper with the right coaching.
    Negatives: Didn’t improve enough with experience … Average production.

    18. Mike Teel, Rutgers 6-3, 230
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 18
    Post-Combine Skinny: Wasn't Invited To The Combine
    Positives: Good size … Overcame rough start to dominate late his senior year … Good arm.
    Negatives: Not mobile … Benefitted from having a good running game and great receivers.

    19. Chase Holbrook, New Mexico State 6-4, 242
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 16
    Post-Combine Skinny: Looked puffy. Too big. Threw well, but not well enough to make a statement of any sort.
    Positives: Big-time size … Excellent arm. Can make all the throws … Accurate.
    Negatives: Didn’t produce as well as he should’ve in QB friendly offense … Not mobile.

    20. Michael Reilly, Central Washington 6-3, 214
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 20
    Post-Combine Skinny: Big, strong, and athletic. While he looked like he belonged in the group, he didn't stand out in any way.
    Positives: Nice size, good mobility, good arm … Ultra-productive and accurate.
    Negatives: Central Washington is D-II … Good arm. Not a jaw dropper.

    21. Brian Hoyer, Michigan State 6-2, 215
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 24
    Post-Combine Skinny: Good buzz from a few of the scouts. Some think he has big upside as a pro and will be better than he was at MSU.
    Positives: Good arm … Solid game manager … Won’t get a team beat.
    Negatives: Struggled his senior year despite running game to fall back on … Not huge.

    22. Todd Boeckman, Ohio State 6-4, 230
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 21
    Post-Combine Skinny: Wasn't Invited To The Combine
    Positives: Excellent size and good accuracy with time … Handled himself well with Terrelle Pryor situation.
    Negatives: A sitting duck at times against fast defenses … Needs work on throwing motion.

    23. David Johnson, Tulsa 6-2, 220
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 23
    Post-Combine Skinny: Wasn't Invited To The Combine
    Positives: Tremendously accurate and efficient … Not a big arm, but good enough.
    Negatives: One-year starter … Horrible game in C-USA Championship … A system passer.

    24. Rudy Carpenter, Arizona State 6-2, 218
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 22
    Post-Combine Skinny: Didn't run at the Combine. Far smaller than originally listed. Small hands.
    Positives: Fiery for good and bad … Shockingly tough. Was battered at ASU … Good fire, sometimes to a negative.
    Negatives: Held on to the ball too long at times … Immobile … Not an NFL arm.

    25. Chase Clement, Rice 6-4, 225
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 25
    Post-Combine Skinny: Wasn't Invited To The Combine
    Positives: Ultra-productive … Very mobile with good size and moxie.
    Negatives: A system quarterback … Nice arm, but not elite.
  2. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    1. Brandon Pettigrew, Oklahoma State 6-5, 263
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 1
    Post-Combine Skinny: For the supposed No. 1 tight end, he didn't look like it. He was every bit as big as expected, and he was quick through the shuttle, but he ran a horrendous 4.85 and only came up with 22 reps. Basically, he didn't do anything special.
    Positives: Great size, strength and speed for a tight end … Excellent hands. Very soft … Willing, tough blocker.
    Negatives: Doesn’t always play up to his talent. Too many skills to not be dominant all the time … Character issues after issues with the law in early 2008 … Not a field stretcher.

    2. Jared Cook, South Carolina 6-5, 246
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 3
    Post-Combine Skinny: One of the biggest stars of the Combine. Great in the drills and very consistent, he stunned everyone with a 4.5 and a 10'3" broad jump.
    Positives: Great receiver … Big-time strong … Plays like a much smaller player in the passing game.
    Negatives: Not a polished route runner … So-so blocker. Doesn’t seem to like to do it … Might need a fire lit under him.

    3. Travis Beckum, Wisconsin 6-3, 243
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 4
    Post-Combine Skinny: Still recovering from injury, he didn't run, but he showed his competitiveness by throwing up a tight end-best 28 reps. The concern is about his lack of size, but his strength will help go along with his tremendous receiving skills
    Positives: Superior receiver … Fast. Very fast for a tight end … Great route runner.
    Negatives: Major durability concerns …. Undersized. Willing blocker, but he can’t do it … Got pushed around too much.

    4. Chase Coffman, Missouri 6-6, 244
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 5
    Post-Combine Skinny: Still getting over an ankle injury, he didn't run and didn't lift. The stats didn't lie; he's really 6-6 and athletic looking.
    Positives: Superior receiver … Fought through injuries and still produced … Elite hands and route running ability.
    Negatives: Not a bulky blocker. Built like a big wide receiver … Not fast enough … He isn’t going to beat anyone up in the running game.

    5. James Casey, Rice 6-4, 246
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 6
    Post-Combine Skinny: Casey came ready to produce. He only ran a 4.78, but he was tremendously quick through the drills and pulled a stunner with 28 reps on the bench.
    Positives: Excellent receiver … Good speed. Can stretch the field … Will take the big pop. Is never afraid to go over the middle.
    Negatives: Old. 25 going into the draft. Spent three years playing minor league baseball … Not big. Will try to block, but won’t be too effective.

    6. Shawn Nelson, Southern Miss 6-5, 240
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 7
    Post-Combine Skinny: While he moved well, he didn't move well enough. The 19 reps on the bench showed just how far he needs to go to get bigger and stronger, while the 4.56 showed that he's a true H back. He might get the dreaded tweener tag.
    Positives: A big, talented receiver … A good fighter. Will battle for the ball … Can get bigger and stronger.
    Negatives: Needs to hit the weights … Gets beaten too much as a run blocker … Not a polished route runner.

    7. Dan Gronkowski, Maryland 6-5, 255
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 15
    Post-Combine Skinny: He had a nice Combine doing a little bit of everything well. He was big, looked big, ran well, was fluid, and cranked out 26 reps on the bench.
    Positives: Smart … Extremely strong and a big blocker … Busts his tail.
    Negatives: Good blocker, but not an elite one … Not speedy … Isn’t going to be a big-time target.

    8. Cornelius Ingram, Florida 6-4, 245
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 2
    Post-Combine Skinny: A disappointment. He wasn't nearly as athletic as expected, didn't do anything special on the bench, and he ran a pedestrian 4.68 for a player who was supposed to live off his wheels.
    Positives: A big receiver and a small tight end. That’s not a negative … Ultra-athletic. Played quarterback in high school … Could be a cornerstone receiver.
    Negatives: Coming off an injury … Not a blocker at the next level … Undersized. Won’t overpower anyone.

    9. Ryan Purvis, Boston College 6-4, 255
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 8
    Post-Combine Skinny: Wasn't At The Combine
    Positives: Solid target who doesn’t make mistakes … Big body. Solid blocker … A fighter. Will get nasty when he needs to.
    Negatives: Doesn’t do any one thing at an elite level … Needs work as a route runner …. Not an athlete.

    10. Anthony Hill, NC State 6-5, 262
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 9
    Post-Combine Skinny: For his size, it wasn't a bad Combine. The 4.8 40 was a nice treat, but the 21 reps on the bench weren't anything special for a player who's supposed to be a big, physical blocker.
    Positives: Big, strong receiver and a good target … Reliable. Sucks the ball in … Can be a big-time blocker.
    Negatives: Not a deep threat. Won’t stretch the field … Concerns about reconstructed knee … A small tackle playing tight end.

    11. John Phillips, Virginia 6-5, 251
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 10
    Post-Combine Skinny: He had a nice workout. He moved well through the drills and was quick in his change of direction. The hands are nice and he showed the athleticism he needed to show off.
    Positives: Will fight to get open … A good blocker for his size … Has room to get bigger.
    Negatives: A mediocre athlete … Not enough deep speed … A try-hard type who’ll have to battle for everything.

    12. Jamarko Simmons, Western Michigan 6-2, 245
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 12
    Post-Combine Skinny: Wasn't At The Combine
    Positives: A wide receiver who’ll be an H-Back at the next level … Ultra-productive target with the potential to be a matchup nightmare in the right system … Fiery. Wants the ball.
    Negatives: Too slow to be a wide receiver, not big enough to be a tight end. A true tweener … Emotional. Sometimes not for his own good … He’ll have to find the right fit. Won’t be for every team.

    13. David Johnson, Arkansas State 6-2, 260
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 13
    Post-Combine Skinny: He lightened up a bit and it helped his quickness. He only ran a 4.73, but he moved well.
    Positives: Huge, thick blocker who’s great for the running game … Will destroy tacklers … Can move for his size.
    Negatives: Isn’t a natural receiver, but to be fair, he wasn’t used much … Likely more of a fullback/blocker than an all-around tight end.

    14. Branden Ledbetter, Western Michigan 6-5, 230
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 14
    Post-Combine Skinny: Wasn't At The Combine
    Positives: Tremendous receiver … Strong route runner … Can stretch the field. Is an H-Back.
    Negatives: Not big … A tweener, and not fast enough to be a wide receiver … Mediocre blocker.

    15. Kory Sperry, Colorado State 6-6, 238
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 19
    Post-Combine Skinny: Sperry came up with a great Combine with tremendous athleticism and a nice 4.77 40. He was one of the best in the bunch in the short drills.
    Positives: Tough veteran who grew into a nice receiver … Can be used in a variety of areas. Good blocker and good receiver … Good with the ball in his hands.
    Negatives: Not a big blocker … Has past knee concerns. Reconstructed knee … Not big enough to be a true tight end. Not fast enough to be a receiver.

    16. Bear Pascoe, Fresno State 6-5, 251
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 11
    Post-Combine Skinny: Didn't look all that smooth. The 4.95 was a disaster, and he seemed to struggle through the cones.
    Positives: Nice receiver, good athlete for his size … Big-time blocker. Loves to hit … Always gets the extra yards.
    Negatives: Isn’t a special receiver … Not a great route runner … Lacks speed.

    17. Jared Bronson, Central Washington 6-4, 253
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 16
    Post-Combine Skinny: While he was athletic, he wasn't quite fast enough or athletic enough to overcome his lack of strength. He didn't lift.
    Positives: Excellent athlete … Can really move and will catch like a wide receiver … Can make big plays deep.
    Negatives: Not even a little bit physical … Needs to work on route running … Old. 24 years old.

    18. Rob Myers, Utah State 6-3, 243
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 17
    Post-Combine Skinny: He didn't work out. With his athleticism, he'll need get his share of attention in the coming weeks.
    Positives: Fast. Has the potential to be a top field stretcher in time … Will work to get better. Will be very coachable.
    Negatives: Needs to get bigger and a lot stronger … Not a blocker at the NFL level. A good receiver, but he needs some polish.

    19. Brian Mandeville, Northeastern 6-6, 258
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 18
    Post-Combine Skinny: He didn't run and didn't work out. Worse yet, for a player of his size, he had incredibly small hands.
    Positives: Excellent athlete … Willing to make the tough catch across the middle … Room to get bigger.
    Negatives: Not physical … Can get beaten up. He won’t block anyone … Will get outmuscled by NFL defensive backs.

    20. Richard Quinn, North Carolina 6-4, 264
    Pre-Combine Position Rank: 20
    Post-Combine Skinny: With good size, he looked good enough to become a future in-line starter. He ran a 4.85 with 24 lifts, it wasn't a bad Combine.
    Positives: Very strong. A great blocker who finishes well … Good hands with good upside as a receiver … Looks the part.
    Negatives: Not an athlete. Isn’t going to blow by anyone … Not a natural route runner … Lacks speed.
  3. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    Freeman over Sanchez? That's a good one.

    These are the three I would prefer. They also did not list Boltus, which is odd.
  4. Oh_Canada

    Oh_Canada Well-Known Member

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    It's funny how media types/NFL people criticize players when they participate in the combine; yet Sanchez who wanted to compete in ever drill seems to be losing his draft status because he had a little difficulty throwing to receiver he isn't familiar with. He should have pulled a Stafford and waited for his pro day.

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