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Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by NYCowboy22, Oct 11, 2005.

  1. NYCowboy22

    NYCowboy22 Member

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    I was watching Coach Speak on NFL Network and they showed Gibbs at a press conference arguing that the officiating during the Redskins game was terrible. The Redskins had two of their big plays called back and Gibbs claims that he reviewed the game film and could not find what they were penalized for. I thought it was a little unusual for a coach to come out and say things like this. I know when we had some calls that didn't go our way, Parcells didn't say a word; he just accepts it as part of the game - sometimes the calls go your way, sometimes they don't.

    Jim Mora (commentator on Coach Speak) said that he wouldn't be suprised if the NFL fined Gibbs for making such statements during a press conference. Who here thinks the NFL should be able to do this? While I didn't get to see the plays that Gibbs was arguing, I do think the officiating has been very inconsistent this year, more so than in recent years. Now I know Gibbs is a cry baby (prime example is how he shook Parcells hand after thier loss last year) but I don't think he should be fined for the statements he made about the officiating.

  2. gbrittain

    gbrittain Well-Known Member

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    Joe Gibbs is probably a good coach and a good man, but he is a big time whiner.
  3. NewEraCowboy

    NewEraCowboy Member

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    i work in the dc area..and im 18...and im at work right now.....skins fans are jus crybabies....its a characterisic that all skins fans are born with....they cry and whine if things dont go there way!
  4. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Bad Santa Staff Member

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    Fair or not...I think it is the rules for those complaining about the officials, even if they are right.

    I do not know about two calls he spoke of but I did see one call that there is no way in the world it should not have been called PI on the defender and one of the officials was right there. I came to the conclusion that the only reason it was not called was because of a bad call against the broncos earlier.

    One also has to remember that Refs do get docked some pay for bad games, however I don't think it is made public like the fines for coaches or players who complain about it.
  5. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl U.N.I.T.Y Staff Member

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    The refs are also penalized for postseason selection as well. Their calls are tracked all the way thru, and then crews are selected based on the accuracy of their calls.

    The big thing about Gibbs being fined is it's because you have to maintain a level of "public" respect for the officials. If he'd limited it to calls to the NFL, then it wouldn't be an issue, like I'm sure BP does. But when coaches and player openly disrespect officials, then it makes it tougher for that official to do their job in an already hostile environment.

    Something new the NFL Network has added to Total Access is having the Director of Officials on to discuss rules and calls. So maybe the disputed calls will be covered in a segment this week.
  6. StevenOtero

    StevenOtero Well-Known Member

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    When they win , no bad calls we're made. When they lose all kinds of bad calls are made. Whats new.....
  7. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Bad Santa Staff Member

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    We won vs the eagles...and there have been threads about bad ref calls vs us.

    Happens with every teams fan base.
  8. NMfan

    NMfan Member

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    :) Bingo. It is about the level of confidence that the fan has for the integrity of the game. One of the reasons for the NBA viewer ship sinking is that there is no respect for the refs in that league. They are openly criticized after almost every game. I get tired of the whining and complaining by the players and coaches. I don’t watch the NBA anymore.
  9. Eddie

    Eddie Well-Known Member

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    Screw the refs. Lousy officiating cost the Yanks the ALDS. Pathetic!!!

    That's called Home Field Advantage.
  10. Hoov

    Hoov Senior Member

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    Im all for the coach letting the official know he screwed up during the game. But when the games is over its over, no point in bringing it up then...no ones going to go back and change the outcome for you.
  11. Everlastingxxx

    Everlastingxxx All Star

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    I still can’t figure out the “illegal motion“ pentalty. To me looks like it’s done on every play. And some of the “illegal contact“ and “pass interference“ calls are very iffy. I am also curious to why lineman can point, move their heads yet it’s not a false start. Just thought i’d mention this.
  12. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Bad Santa Staff Member

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    Even though I hate the steelers...I still loved a few years back when the refs called 12 men on the field and The Spitting Chin Cowher came out as the team was leaving the field for halftime and jammed the photo that proved there were only 11 on the field right into the refs pocket.
  13. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Bad Santa Staff Member

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    Illegal Motion is when two players are in motion when the ball is being snapped.

    So if say Witten is running from left to right behind the line before the ball is snapped it is ok providing he does not start his route towards the line of scrimage before the snap AND/OR providing another player (wr,rb,fb or another te) goes in motion as well at the same time.

    The O-Line pointing out things should be allowed as the play is developing and the QB is still calling the play prior to the snap count.

    Illegal contact is any contact past the 5 yard LOS in a pass route...sometimes it is simple as a small bump.
  14. Everlastingxxx

    Everlastingxxx All Star

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    I am thinking of the play Keyshawn was called on in the Oakland game. Where the player goes forward. I was watching the San Diego game last night and saw that happen many times but was never called.

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I do not remember the exact rule but I thought that once an OL is set (hand on ground), they could not move. Now, I could definatly be wrong here. I will also say that regardless of the rule, the Center has always been able to point and move. Just one of those things I guess.
  16. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Bad Santa Staff Member

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    Yes while in motion they are not allowed to move towards the LOS (or start the route forward).

    However it does happen and teams get away with it at times....just as every game you will see holding by the O-Line but many are not called.
  17. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Bad Santa Staff Member

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    I guess since the Center is calling out some things to the rest of the line and the QB (as say a saftey cheating up or a LB going back into coverage) they consider it a function of the play calling at the line. Not sure but always took that as a given.

    I doubt if a tackle lifted his arm they would let that fly but I was thinking I have seen OGs do it before....could be wrong.
  18. followthestar

    followthestar Well-Known Member

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    i think the refs do an amazingly good job, considering the speed of the game. they have only fractions of a second to determine what happened, and much more often than not they're right. they can't be everywhere or see everything that happens, so many times they simply aren't looking when an infraction takes place. i really think the challenge rule we have now is a great idea and is working well. and i truly do believe that one ref's bad call will sometimes be softened by another ref calling a play on the opposing team, just to even things up. overall, since the birth of this game, this is a pretty good system and works well 90% of the time. and it typically averages out over the seasons. no use crying over spilt milk...

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    This is a guaranted. Centers have always had the latitude but if a Tackle were to flex his butt cheek, it would be called. This you may depend on.

  20. jman

    jman Well-Known Member

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    Nope, that was just A-Rod...LOL

    A-Rod gives you pound for pound the the most choke for the dollar.

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