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Replacement Obama Pastor Just As Controversial As Wright

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  1. heavyg

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    Wednesday, May 7, 2008 8:54 PM

    By: Newsmax Staff Article Font Size







    Barack Obama has finally distanced himself from Rev. Jeremiah Wright after a 20-year relationship, but the pastor who is replacing Wright at Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ is likely to be just as controversial.


    New Trinity pastor Otis Moss has called Biblical patriarch Abraham a “pimp” and made other statements many would consider offensive.


    After Obama called Wright’s comments “divisive and destructive,” a questioner noted that Rev. Moss has defended Wright and asked if Obama would continue attending the church.


    “Well, the new pastor, the young pastor, Reverend Otis Moss, is a wonderful young pastor,” Obama responded. “And as I said, I still very much value the Trinity community.”


    Moss, the 37-year-old “hip-hop pastor,” as he’s called by congregants, will become head of Trinity in June, after serving as an assistant pastor there for two years.


    But a videotape of a sermon he delivered at Wright’s church shows this “wonderful young pastor” referring to “ghetto prophets” and “thug theology,” calling the late rapper Tupac Shakur a “prophet,” and reciting at length lyrics to Shakur’s song “Thugz Mansion.”
  2. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Louis Farrakhan didn't get the job? I guess they were looking for something different. :laugh2:
  3. theebs

    theebs Believe!!!!

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    pastor.

    again. Why does a grown man need a pastor and why is he bieng judged by him?

    So ridiculous. People vote based on the goofiest things.
  4. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl Shut up and play! Staff Member

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    I'd be real interested to hear those statements in their original context, so I could get the whole picture. I realize there are some who don't find it necessary, but I've always hated getting one side of a story.
  5. quincyyyyy

    quincyyyyy Benched

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    Billy Graham was anti-semitic does that mean Reagan was a horrible person because Billy boy was his religious adviser.
  6. trickblue

    trickblue Old Testament... Zone Supporter

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    Billy Graham, Anti-Semitic?
    If he returns his ADL award, so will I.
    William F. Buckley, Jr.

    March 19, 2002 3:25 p.m.


    The one thing critics of Billy Graham have failed to come up with is a single act, a single syllable in the public career of Mr. Graham that could be interpreted as anti-Semitic. There can't be another living American whose day-by-day life has been more minutely examined. When did he say anything anti-Semitic? When did he egg on critics of the Jews? When did he by inflection, let alone declaration, seek to undermine the Jewish state?

    When the words quoted in the Haldeman diaries were released in 1994, nobody paid any attention to them, and Graham said about them only that they could not have been his own words. Well, they were his own words, because the tape recording released a fortnight ago established this, so Mr. Graham was reduced simply to apologizing for having said them, and reiterating that manifestly they did not reveal sentiments he ever acted upon.

    A few coordinates are worth looking at:

    1) The words were spoken in the private company of the president of the United States. It is a human tendency to humor chiefs of state, and one way of doing this is to sort of go along with their moods and line of thought. Students laugh at headmasters' jokes. If President Nixon was going on about the Jews (as we know he sometimes did), you would expect the courtier impulses of his intimates to piggy-back along. Leonard Garment and Henry Kissinger, if ever they are detected as having laughed at an anti-Semitic presidential joke, should be thought of as socially self-abnegating, rather than as anti-Semitic, always leaving room for the possibility that it was a good joke.

    2) Mr. Graham's repudiation of what he said was terribly overdone. "I have never talked publicly or privately about the Jewish people, including in conversations with President Nixon, except in the most positive terms." The trouble with saying something like that is that it is simply unbelievable. It sounds like Clarence Thomas saying he had never discussed Roe v. Wade or had any thoughts about it. You'd have to be a castrate never to have talked "publicly or privately" about the Jewish people. How can you, without talking about them, intone some such sentiment as, "Those . . . lovely Jews voted 85 percent Democrat again!" Or, for that matter, "Those stupid Jews won all the Nobel Prizes again, as usual!"

    3) Several people who know Graham intimately enough to have written his biography (William Martin of Rice University), or occupied a chair named after him (Lewis Drummond of Samford University), have given their opinion that the Nixon remarks to Graham were certainly centered about the subject of pornography. "They're the ones putting out the pornographic stuff," Mr. Graham said, "after agreeing with Mr. Nixon," — in the account of David Firestone of the New York Times — "that left-wing Jews dominate the news media." Now on this matter, a bit of research might be worth the trouble, research designed to explore whether stereotypes here were invidious. The conversation took place on February 1, 1972. Why did Nixon say that pornography was substantially a Jewish enterprise? What data, if any, was he relying on? Why did Graham agree with him? Was there in fact a top-heavy investment in pornography by Jewish entrepreneurs?

    Since the Supreme Court, with the acquiescence of the majority of the American people, apparently deems pornography nothing more than an expression of free speech, what else can be said of those who engage in it than that they are swinging with the market? To have said in 1972 that pornographic entrepreneurs were heavily Jewish is different from saying such a thing as, "Only Jews would engage in pornography," which would be on the order of saying, "Only priests engage in pederasty." That would indeed would be anti-Semitic, but that sentiment was not recorded.

    4) The reaction of Abraham Foxman, the head of the Anti- Defamation League, was reliably melodramatic and self-serving. "What's frightening is that he (Graham) has been so close to so many presidents, and who knows what else has been saying privately." Like what? That the Protocols of Zion should be adopted in the curriculum of public schools? That Israel should be cut up and given to Syria?

    Mr. Foxman urged Billy Graham to return the award he won in 1971 from the National Conference of Christians and Jews. If they did that to Billy Graham, after his lifetime of service to tolerance and charity and love, then you'd get something the impact of which would be anti-Semitic. I am proud to have an award from the Anti-Defamation League. If Graham returns his, I'll volunteer the return of mine.
  7. quincyyyyy

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    I could care less what Buckley thinks or says. The guy is a femine hygiene product.

    But there is proof he was an anti-semite. The proof was his own words on a tape recording.

    "In 2002, however, newly declassified "Richard Nixon tapes" confirmed remarks made by Graham to President Nixon three decades earlier. Captured on the tapes, Graham agreed with Nixon that Jews control the American media, calling it a "stranglehold" during a 1972 conversation with Nixon.[24] "This stranglehold has got to be broken or the country's going down the drain,"[25] said Graham, agreeing with Nixon's comments about Jews and their influence in American life. Later, Graham mentions that he has friends in the media who are Jewish, including A.M. Rosenthal, saying they "swarm around me and are friendly to me." But, he tells Nixon, "They don't know how I really feel about what they're doing to this country."[24] These remarks were considered highly controversial by some Jewish leaders such as Abraham Foxman, who characterized them as anti-Semitic.[14]"
  8. quincyyyyy

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    What about Jerry Falwell who said America deserved to be attacked on 9/11. The only reason you guys hate on Obama's pastors is because he is black.
  9. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Bad Santa Staff Member

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    McCain's Preacher has said some things as well...against catholics.
  10. trickblue

    trickblue Old Testament... Zone Supporter

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    I could care less about the liberal drivel you link too either...

    I suppose you are smarter than Buckley as well...

    In the history of this forum, I can't say I remember seeing anyone (Christian or non-Christian) post anything positive about Falwell. I know I haven't...

    btw... you are more than welcome to post your thoughts here, but if you continue to accuse members of being racist, you will be gone in short order...
  11. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Bad Santa Staff Member

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    Trick...the user may be a pain in the arse but Graham was on tape saying that and did apologize for it.

    Kind of hard to act like it never happened or he was just joking around with those words.
  12. AtlCB

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    Reagan never attended Graham's church while president. As far as I could tell they were only friends. Graham was also friends with the Kennedys. I guess we should declare JFK a bad president. :rolleyes:
  13. quincyyyyy

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    No you shouldn't thats my point. Politicians don't necessarily ascribe to everything their pastor or any other supporter says. And its ridiculous you guys think Obama does and all these other Republicans don't.
  14. trickblue

    trickblue Old Testament... Zone Supporter

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    I never defended it... I just posted an opposing point of view...

    I'm not particularly fond of Billy Graham either...

    Justifying what one person said because another person said something else is the reason this country is in trouble...
  15. Maikeru-sama

    Maikeru-sama Mick Green 58

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    And Barack Obama never attended Rev. Wright's church while he was president.
  16. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    Weird.
  17. AtlCB

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    I really not that concerned about his pastor. I'm more concerned with his spending proposals when we should be looking to limit government spending.
  18. AtlCB

    AtlCB Active Member

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    I was responding to his attack on Reagan.
  19. Doomsday101

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    Rod Parsley is not McCain's preacher he is the one who made the negative comments about Catholics. Rod Parsley has endorsed McCain but John McCain has not been attending this man’s church. There is no doubt there are those in the religious right who have made many comments that are flat out wrong or hateful but for the most part many of the Religious Right have been opposed to McCain and are only now coming over to his side because the option of McCain is better than that of Obama or Clinton.
  20. quincyyyyy

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    I'm sure a lot of the Republicans' pastors has said some pretty bad things about gays.

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