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Sabin: What Cowboys can do to avoid 2013's draft-day confusion

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  1. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    What Cowboys can do to avoid 2013's draft-day confusion
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    Dallas Cowboys head coach Jason Garrett, Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones, Cowboys executive vice president Stephen Jones and others watch the TV's in the war room during the first round of the NFL draft at Dallas Cowboys headquarters at Valley Ranch in Irving on April 25, 2013.

    Club works to get scouts, coaches on same page, streamlined system since mix-up on draft day last year


    RAINER SABIN
    RAINER SABIN The Dallas Morning News Staff Writer
    rsabin@dallasnews.com
    Published: 01 March 2014 06:18 PM
    Updated: 01 March 2014 06:18 PM

    Inside the Cowboys’ labyrinthine Valley Ranch headquarters, the coaching and scouting departments are located in the same vicinity. Depending on which route is taken or what door is open, a person can cover the distance between the offices in less than a minute.

    It’s hard to imagine a communication breakdown happening in such a confined space.

    But as the club’s executive vice president Stephen Jones confessed in Indianapolis, it did last year, prompting the team to make changes aimed at bridging the divide between the coaches and scouts.

    The problems were exposed in the Cowboys’ war room last April as management weighed whether to take Florida defensive tackle Sharrif Floyd with its

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/da...an-do-to-avoid-2013-s-draft-day-confusion.ece
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  2. BigStar

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    I guess someone bought a book on organizational management...

    [Floyd collected only 4½ sacks in his career with the Gators, and the Cowboys needed high production from their under tackle — a premium position in the 4-3 scheme the team began installing in 2013. But the reservations Marinelli had about Floyd weren’t conveyed to the scouts. Apparently, neither was the profile of the ideal defensive lineman he wanted in this new system the Cowboys had just adopted.

    “I felt like we had him graded right, yes,” Jones said. “Did we have him graded right for our system? That’s debatable.”]


    Thanks for posting these threads btw Alexander...helps with long off season.
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  3. noshame

    noshame Who wouldn't follow me? Zone Supporter

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    Hey Moe, Hey Larry......:rolleyes:
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  4. Risen Star

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    Tom Ciskowski really dropped the ball on that.
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  5. BigStar

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    I would've hoped with all that great football knowledge in the room "cough" that someone would've picked that up (#5 Defender doesn't fit new scheme...did they not get even have a notion of Rods type of DL before hiring him or was it just blind delegationjust based on simple observation and conversations I would've assumed occurred between Rod, JJ, JG, scouts, other coaches, etc.
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  6. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    Kiffin sort of did when he wandered into the room. But the time to do that is not on the day of the draft. Floyd should never have been on the board that high or even in the discussion if they were bound and determined he did not fit. Everyone should have been on the same page when the board was actually constructed.

    But it seemed to work out, which is rare.
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  7. BigStar

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    It did work out (Love Fred/TW) so it is more just being dumbfounded by how poorly an organization as big and powerful as the Dallas Cowboys could be this mismanaged (on the day to day). Just wow. This also adds to my frustration when fans pass off Warford being missing from our draft board like some "deep thought" went into that decision in comparison.
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  8. Risen Star

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    Teams conduct their own mocks in the weeks leading up to the draft just for this reason. To be prepared for any scenario.

    It just shows you how clueless our GM and his chubby assistant really are.

    It won't happen again though. So that's comforting.
  9. Sb or Bust

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    One new changed has to be placing the draft board AWAY from the cameras.
  10. BigStar

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    You're always on, good one :D
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  11. BigStar

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    Agreed, what is this two years running, or three?
  12. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    Relax. McClay has got this. Or something like that.
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  13. Hawk

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    Oh gee...wow how stupid were these guys, didn't they have a clue we would have to use 22 different DL before the season ended because of injuries lmao.
  14. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    Passing on Floyd is less of an issue than why he was at six in the first place. If the player does not fit, fine. If you have faith that injured disgruntled 30-something malingerers like Ratliff will be centerpieces, go for it. But there is no excuse for the lack of communication and cohesion between the coaching staff and the scouts.

    That board was constructed like we were still a 3-4 defense with little or no regard for what players were needed for the defensive scheme change.
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  15. Hawk

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    I watched the entire draft......at the Ranch....did you? Monty didn't get a single guy he wanted....even after talking with Fisher live and saying they were taking a LBer he wanted from ASU. When they took the Beard, the whole room was up in arms....but somebody was completely right with the way things went down. I'm just a fan, and will never reach 21000 replys.
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  16. BigStar

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    Kiffen wanted Magee in the draft? It's not so much that the coaches should have direct influence on who is drafted but should have strong input on the type(s) of players that fit their schemes. It is up to the scouts to determine when the best round in the draft would be appropriate. Frederick being a great pick doesn't change the fact that the scouts didn't adjust the player rankings before assessing what player fits the coaches needs/preferences.
  17. Risen Star

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    I don't think assistant coaches should have any say whatsoever in who gets drafted. They can communicate on what kinds of players they need. Then leave it up to the scouts to identify those players.

    Coaches coach. Scouts scout. When you start looking at Rod Marinelli as a talent evaluator over your own scouting department you have a problem.

    Let the scouts, the most informed voices in the room, tell you who the players are.

    Send that info to Jerry and Stephen. Then to Will McClay for final approval. With Tom Ciskowski's blessing.
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  18. Risen Star

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    I can't imagine any preparation went into the various scenarios that could occur on draft day if Floyd falling threw them for a loop. This is a huge deal. It really shows how unprofessional and grossly mismanaged this team is. All for the sake of one ego.

    As an aside, you're getting a little high up on the likes list for my comfort. So I'm cutting you off. It's not personal.
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  19. DavidS

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    Floyd was a fat unproductive slob. 4.5 sacks is a joke

    Fredrick by far was a wonderful decision

    Dumb article by Sabin but that's nothing new for that moronic individual
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  20. BigStar

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    Agree on Floyd, glad we passed. But what about the selections after round 1? The draft board wasn't adjusted so prospects could be elevated/lowered based off of the new perspective and could've landed a DL/LB/S at some point that fit this new structure of evaluation/rankings. Escobar could've been lowered after a Defender was re-categorized as fitting the 4-3 more than they would've under the old 3-4 structure; leading to that selection, etc. Maybe Wilcox is passed on to select a more centerfield S, and on. Holloman looks like someone who sneaked past the cracks despite all of the miscommunication (incompetence) amongst the scouts and crafters of the draft board as he could play the 3-4 or 4-3.
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