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SB Rings and the Hall of Fame

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by percyhoward, Feb 2, 2013.

  1. percyhoward

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    Super Bowl Era Hall of Fame eligible players only (1966-2007) who are not yet in the Hall of Fame. Grouped with team that won SB.

    Minimum requirements for each player:
    • 1. a Super Bowl ring
    • 2. a 1st team All-Pro selection (Associated Press)
    • 3. a minimum of five Pro Bowls, OR
      a selection to the Hall of Fame's All-Decade Team

    *eligible only as a senior nominee

    This year's inductees (finalists in bold) will be announced today.

    Cowboys (14)
    Larry Allen OL
    *George Andrie DL
    *Cornell Green DB
    Charles Haley DL
    *Cliff Harris DB
    *Chuck Howley LB
    *Lee Roy Jordan LB
    *Harvey Martin DL
    *Ralph Neely OL
    Nate Newton OL
    *John Niland OL
    Jay Novacek TE
    *Drew Pearson WR
    Darren Woodson DB

    Dolphins (5)
    *Dick Anderson DB
    *Bob Kuechenberg OL
    *Jake Scott S
    *Bill Stanfill DL
    *Garo Yepremian K

    Buccaneers (4)
    Mike Alstott FB
    Lomas Brown OL
    John Lynch DB
    Warren Sapp DT

    Broncos (4)
    Steve Atwater DB
    Terrell Davis RB
    Tom Nalen OL
    Neil Smith DE

    Packers (4)
    *Gale Gillingham OL
    *Jerry Kramer OL
    Keith Jackson TE
    *Dave Robinson LB

    Raiders (4)
    Todd Christensen TE
    *Lester Hayes DB
    *Ray Guy P
    *Ken Stabler QB

    Chiefs (3)
    *Ed Budde OL
    *Curley Culp DT
    *Jim Tyrer OL

    49ers (3)
    Roger Craig RB
    Charles Haley DL
    Bryant Young DL

    Giants (3)
    Carl Banks LB
    Sean Landetta P
    Michael Strahan DE

    Steelers (3)
    *L.C. Greenwood DL
    *Donnie Shell DB
    Jerome Bettis RB

    Bears (2)
    Jimbo Covert OL
    Jay Hilgenberg OL

    Redskins (2)
    Dave Butz DL
    Joe Jacoby OL

    Ravens (2)
    Ben Coates TE
    Jonathan Ogden OL

    Colts (1)
    *Bob Vogel OL
  2. Risen Star

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    Percy, you can be my lawyer any day.

    Good stuff. I don't think first year eligible players should be included though if the point is who gets snubbed.
  3. percyhoward

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    Thanks. I just included them to show how the other teams are still being represented. Especially the old Packers and Chiefs, because both of those guys will get in today.
  4. Risen Star

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    Do you think Darren Woodson eventually gets in?

    It's Irvin, Woodson and then everybody else on my all time favorite players list.
  5. Doomsay

    Doomsay Well-Known Member

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    Excellent work!

    The definition of bias.
  6. percyhoward

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    There's no good reason why he shouldn't. But then, I'd have said the same thing about Cliff Harris after his retirement.
  7. percyhoward

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    I got a PM about Jim Plunkett.

    Plunkett has two rings, but only made the top 10 rated passers twice.

    That kind of thing does happen.
  8. munkee

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    I don't agree that a SB ring should be a criteria for the Hall of Fame. A player can't control who his teammates are nor can they choose their coach.
  9. percyhoward

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    That's a fair point.

    But since rings obviously do matter, they should matter the same for all teams whose players have rings.

    Packers LB Dave Robinson will go in as a senior inductee today. Chuck Howley was clearly a better player. Rickey Jackson, Andre Tippett, and Dave Wilcox are all in the Hall of Fame, and none of them has a ring.

    Robinson: 3 Pro Bowls, 1 AP All-Pro, 2 rings
    Jackson: 6 Pro Bowls, 0 AP All-Pro
    Tippett: 5 Pro Bowls, 2 AP All-Pro
    Wilcox: 7 Pro Bowls, 2 AP All-Pro
    Howley: 6 Pro Bowls, 5 AP All-Pro, SBMVP, all-time leader in SB takeaways

    Each year, a player has to make the preliminary list, then the semi-final list, then the final list, then be one of the seven players who get voted in.

    Howley has never even made it past the preliminary list.
  10. Ring Leader

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    At first glance, I thought you were describing Eli's career. ;)
  11. Diogenes

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    Extreme prejudice is what it is. It doesn't get any more "in your face" than that. Thanks for putting this together.
  12. john van brocklin

    john van brocklin Captain Comeback

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    Someone please forward this to the Hall of Fame voters !
    How could we have so many more players on this list ?
    It's an outrage I tell ya !!!
  13. percyhoward

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    You're welcome.

    There are now 24 linebackers in the HOF. Only 7 of the 24 were named 1st team All-Pro by the Associated Press more times than Howley.

    38 of the top 39 vote-getters for the HOF's All-Decade Teams of the 70s and 80s are in the Hall of Fame. The only exception is a Cowboy -- Cliff Harris, who was one of the top 10 vote-getters for the 70s team.

    On the HOF's All-Decade Team of the 70s, 37 of the top 39 vote-getters are either Hall of Famers, or have at least been semi-finalists. The only exceptions are two Cowboys -- Drew Pearson and Harvey Martin.

    There were 38 players on the HOF's All-Decade team of the 60s. Anybody on that team with a ring who was 1st team AP All-Pro is either a Hall of Famer or has been a finalist. The only exception is Cowboy Ralph Neely.
  14. Biggems

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    I am so sick of the anti-Cowboys voting. Honestly, the only way to rectify this is to have a Cowboy inducted every year for the next decade....We would still be a few short, but at least the HOF would be more credible. As it is, I find the HOF to be a crock, with so many deserving players not in there, not just our players, but other players as well.

    great work percy, thanks for the research and post. do you by chance have a top 25 list of "No Ring" players who are HOF worthy?
  15. perrykemp

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    It's been talked about here before, however, Woodson's 23 interceptions over 12 seasons (only 1.9 per season) are probably going to hinder his case. Beyond that he was only named All-Pro 3 times which is borderline for HoF candidates these days.

    There is a log jam with some other safeties of the same era who were borderline HoF as well which complicates things as well -- one example Leroy Butler (38 Interceptions, 4 All-Pros) as well as Tim McDonald.
  16. perrykemp

    perrykemp Well-Known Member

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    It's hard to evaluate bias unless you compare across the league to other teams and see to what level they've been screwed for the HoF.

    I know a number of Packer fans who believe there is heavy anti-Packer bias in the HoF voting as well. Packers have won 13 NFL Championships / Superbowls and lost another 4-5. There are only 22 Packers in the HoF. I'm not sure their HOFer ratio per great team is any more out of whack than the Cowboys really.

    I don't know if this plays out as well for any other teams.
  17. percyhoward

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    Let's see, Ken Anderson, Andre Reed, Tommy Nobis, Karl Mecklenberg, Ken Riley, Robert Brazile, Kenny Easley, Mick Tinglehoff, Isiah Robertson, Nolan Cromwell, Sterling Sharpe, Steve Wisniewski, Leroy Butler, Claude Humphrey, Cornelius Bennett, Hardy Nickerson, Alex Karras, Randy Gradishar, Bill Fralic, Lemar Parrish, Chuck Foreman, Deron Cherry, Joey Browner, Louis Wright, and Dick Stanfel.
  18. percyhoward

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    3 AP All-Pro 1st team selections is pretty solid. Only 4 of the last 11 inductees had more.

    You're right about there being a ton of great DB's though.
  19. Diogenes

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    Speaking of safeties, I've gotta believe that there are fewer members in the HOF at that position than at any other. Or at least close to it. I can only think of a handful off the top of my head.
  20. percyhoward

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    It's the most underrepresented position offensively or defensively, with only 8 players in the HOF who played mostly safety.

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