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Senior Bowl Notes

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by JeffInDC, Jan 20, 2014.

  1. JeffInDC

    JeffInDC Well-Known Member

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    Both Donald and Sutton measured closer to 6'1" than 6' even. Sutton is 6006, 315 and Donald is 6007, 288. Which one (if not both) is helped the most by this?
  2. JeffInDC

    JeffInDC Well-Known Member

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    And, Justin Ellis from LA Tech lost 9lbs. from the Shrine game (351 down to 342). I think this guy could be a GREAT 1T and he wouldn't have to be taken before Round 3.
  3. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Have you watched LA Tech games? I tried to find some footage of him, but I only found a few plays.
  4. AsthmaField

    AsthmaField Outta bounds

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    Good news for Donald, for sure.
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  5. JeffInDC

    JeffInDC Well-Known Member

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    As did I. But, in focusing on him in the Shrine Game, I saw a guy that kept commanding double teams, yet he continued to get good push in the middle. He has violent hands and seems to hustle every play. Classic guy that looks like he could succeed with good coaching because all the other things you would look for (motor, intensity, hustle) seem to be there.
  6. tm1119

    tm1119 Well-Known Member

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    Height was never really the factor. Arm length is key for these guys and neither really passed the test. Donald with 31 3/4 arms isn't completely horrible, but he's still has less than ideal length to plan inside. He better hope he is able to run a very impressive shuttle and put up a whole lot of reps if he wants to keep his 1st round dreams alive.

    Sutton, on the other hand, just killed his draft stock with 1 measurement. Arm length below 31 for a DT is a borderline death sentence. I now wouldnt touch this kid until the 4th round at best
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  7. JDSTAR

    JDSTAR Active Member

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    Really rooting for Donald to succeed this week.
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  8. tm1119

    tm1119 Well-Known Member

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    Wow, Michael Sam only a little above 6'1 with weighed in at 258 with with 33 1/4 inch arms. Stocky with low center of gravity and long arms sounds like a nice 4-3 DE to me. Hard to place his draft stock though. I'd love him in the 2nd.
  9. Leadbelly

    Leadbelly Active Member

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    I agree. It's rare to find a guy who's 340+ and has a motor and can move. All-star games can be deceiving though.

    A lot of these giants end up being left off the Cowboys board, but I can see Ellis on our board as a 3rd/4th at the 1-tech.
  10. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    DL:
    Daniel McCullers 35 5/8
    Kareem Martin 34 3/8
    Chris Smith 34 1/8
    Deandre Coleman 34
    Ra'Shede Hageman 33 3/4
    Brent Urban 33 5/8
    Will Clarke 33 3/8
    Trent Murphy 33 1/8
    Shamar Stephen 33
    Ed Stinson 32 7/8
    Dee Ford 32 3/4
    DaQuan Jones 32 3/4
    Caraun Reid 32 5/8
    James Gayle 32 3/8
    Justin Ellis 32 1/4
    Aaron Donald 31 3/4
    Will Sutton 30 5/8

    LB:
    Adrian Hubbard 33 7/8
    Michael Sam 33 1/4
    Marcus Smith 33 1/4
    Lamin Barrow 33
    Jeremiah Attaochu 32 7/8
    Christian Jones 32 7/8
    Telvin Smith 32 3/4
    Jonathan Brown 32 1/2
    Christian Kirksey 32 3/8
    Kyle Van Noy 32
    Jordan Zumwalt 31 1/8
    Jordan Tripp 30 7/8
    Chris Borland 28 7/8
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  11. LatinMind

    LatinMind iPhotoshop

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    Sharriff Floyd had the exact same short arms.
  12. LatinMind

    LatinMind iPhotoshop

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    Think Sam is going to drop to around 3-4 round. He was a low mid 2nd round pick because of his height listing of 6'2.
  13. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    Cowboys have always preferred long armed guys.
  14. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Yes, same as Donald at 31-3/4.
  15. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    Player
    School
    Height
    Weight
    Arm
    Hand
    Comment

    Will Clarke
    West Virginia
    6061
    271
    33 3/8
    9 1/2
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    Deandre Coleman
    California
    6050
    315
    34
    10 1/4
    --
    Aaron Donald
    Pittsburgh
    6007
    288
    31 3/4
    9 7/8
    --
    Justin Ellis
    Louisiana Tech
    6017
    342
    32 1/4
    9 7/8
    --
    Dee Ford
    Auburn
    6021
    243
    32 3/4
    10
    --
    James Gayle
    Virginia Tech
    6035
    255
    32 3/8
    9 5/8
    --
    Ra'Shede Hageman
    Minnesota
    6060
    318
    33 3/4
    9 5/8
    --
    DaQuan Jones
    Penn State
    6034
    323
    32 3/4
    9 3/8
    --
    Kareem Martin
    North Carolina
    6057
    272
    34 3/8
    10
    --
    Daniel McCullers
    Tennessee
    6067
    348
    35 5/8
    10 5/8
    --
    Trent Murphy
    Stanford
    6053
    252
    33 1/8
    10 7/8
    --
    Caraun Reid
    Princeton
    6021
    301
    32 5/8
    10 1/4
    --
    Chris Smith
    Arkansas
    6011
    266
    34 1/8
    9 5/8
    --
    Shamar Stephen
    Connecticut
    6045
    308
    33
    9 7/8
    --
    Ed Stinson
    Alabama
    6031
    292
    32 7/8
    9 1/4
    --
    Will Sutton
    Arizona State
    6006
    315
    30 5/8
    9 5/8
    --
    Brent Urban
    Virginia
    6066
    298
    33 5/8
    9 7/8
    --
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  16. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    School
    Height
    Weight
    Arm
    Hand
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    Joel Bitonio
    Nevada
    6040
    307
    33
    9 7/8
    --
    Kadeem Edwards
    Tennessee State
    6041
    309
    34 1/2
    9 5/8
    --
    Jon Halapio
    Florida
    6034
    320
    32 3/4
    10 1/4
    --
    Seantrel Henderson
    Miami
    6067
    331
    34 1/4
    10 3/8
    --
    Gabe Ikard
    Oklahoma
    6032
    302
    32 3/4
    9 3/4
    --
    Gabe Jackson
    Mississippi State
    6033
    339
    32 3/4
    9 3/4
    --
    Ja'Wuan James
    Tennessee
    6061
    315
    33 3/8
    9 5/8
    --
    Wesley Johnson
    Vanderbilt
    6052
    290
    32 1/2
    10 1/8
    --
    Tyler Larsen
    Utah State
    6034
    317
    30 1/2
    9 3/8
    --
    Brandon Linder
    Miami
    6053
    316
    33 1/4
    10 1/4
    --
    Zack Martin
    Notre Dame
    6041
    305
    32 1/4
    9 3/4
    --
    Jack Mewhort
    Ohio State
    6055
    306
    33
    10 1/8
    --
    Morgan Moses
    Virginia
    6061
    325
    34 3/4
    9 3/4
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    Cyril Richardson
    Baylor
    6044
    343
    33 7/8
    9 3/4
    --
    Weston Richburg
    Colorado State
    6034
    300
    31 3/4
    9
    --
    Michael Schofield
    Michigan
    6065
    303
    33 1/2
    9 3/4
    He did not have tattoos all over his body outlining a prison map.
    Bryan Stork
    Florida State
    6034
    306
    31
    10 1/8
    --
    Travis Swanson
    Arkansas
    6050
    310
    32 7/8
    10
    --
    Brandon Thomas
    Clemson
    6034
    316
    34 3/8
    10 3/4
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    Billy Turner
    North Dakota State
    6050
    316
    33 1/4
    10 1/4
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  17. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    Player
    School
    Height
    Weight
    Arm
    Hand
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    Tajh Boyd
    Clemson
    6006
    222
    30 1/2
    9 3/8
    --
    Derek Carr
    Fresno State
    6021
    215
    31 1/4
    9 1/8
    --
    David Fales
    San Jose State
    6013
    220
    31 1/8
    9 1/4
    --
    Jimmy Garoppolo
    Eastern Illinois
    6022
    219
    30 1/4
    9
    --
    Stephen Morris
    Miami
    6016
    208
    31 7/8
    10 1/8
    --
    Aaron Murray
    Georgia
    6003
    201
    29 3/4
    9 1/8
    --
    Logan Thomas
    Virginia Tech
    6056
    250
    33
    10 3/4
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    Garoppolo and Murray with the dreaded small hands
  18. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    Player
    School
    Height
    Weight
    Arm
    Hand
    Comment

    Jared Abbrederis
    Wisconsin
    6007
    189
    30 3/4
    9 5/8
    --
    Michael Campanaro
    Wake Forest
    5093
    191
    28 5/8
    9 3/4
    --
    Kain Colter
    Northwestern
    5106
    199
    30 3/4
    10
    --
    Mike Davis
    Texas
    6002
    193
    32
    10 1/8
    --
    Shaquelle Evans
    UCLA
    6006
    210
    31 7/8
    9 3/8
    --
    Ryan Grant
    Tulane
    6002
    197
    30 7/8
    9 5/8
    --
    Robert Herron
    Wyoming
    5087
    193
    29 7/8
    9 5/8
    --
    Cody Hoffman
    Brigham Young
    6037
    218
    33
    9 7/8
    --
    Josh Huff
    Oregon
    5110
    201
    30 1/2
    9 1/8
    --
    Jeff Janis
    Saginaw Valley State
    6022
    212
    32 1/4
    8 7/8
    --
    Jordan Matthews
    Vanderbilt
    6025
    209
    32 5/8
    10 1/2
    --
    Kevin Norwood
    Alabama
    6020
    197
    31 3/8
    10 1/8
    --
    Solomon Patton
    Florida
    5084
    179
    29 7/8
    9 1/4
    --
    Jalen Saunders
    Oklahoma
    5086
    164
    28 7/8
    8 3/4
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    Keep an eye on Hoffman
  19. tm1119

    tm1119 Well-Known Member

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    The height doesn't mean nearly as much if you have the arm length of a man 2-3 inches taller than you. I'd be pretty surprised if Sam makes it out of the 2nd. Unless he doesn't test well as far as speed and agility, but I'm not sur.e that will be a problem for him
  20. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    1. Logan Thomas, QB, Virginia Tech
    Entering the game as the most gifted athlete at the quarterback position, Thomas has struggled to live up to high, Cam Newton-like expectations after his sophomore season. His inconsistencies in placement, progressions, and decision making, including when and when not to run , are concerning on film. However, he possesses the talent to still be considered on Day Two (and potentially early) if he can have a strong week this week.

    2. Tajh Boyd, QB, Clemson
    Boyd had the luxury of playing with a talented supporting cast at Clemson, particularly with receivers that made fantastic catches that hid some of his placement concerns across the field. Showing the flashes of Russell Wilson and Donovan McNabb at times, he has the tools to similar to those two, but has struggled to get to that point as a passer. Scouts will be curious to see him at the weigh-in, how he places the ball across the field, and how he responds to a new set of receivers in an unfamiliar offense.

    3. Jared Abbrederis, WR, Wisconsin
    Likely under-appreciated entering the game due to a lackluster quarterback this year, Abbrederis could leave as one of the top senior receivers. He possesses great hand usage in both press situations and when working downfield, having a phenomenal game against potential 1st rounder Bradley Roby and Ohio State. If he can showcase his route polish, consistently winning at the catch-point, and more big play ability after the catch than he showed on film, he could emerge as a legitimate Day Two selection.

    4. Gator Hoskins, TE, Marshall
    A late invite to the event, Hoskins made a name for himself during bowl season after a two touchdown performance in his final college game. The likely NFL H-Back, Hoskins will be able to show his versatility in route running from different initial positions, and if he can match up against NFL level safeties/coverage linebackers. A big week could make him a trendy late Day Two or early Day Three receiving tight end/H-Back option.

    5. Weston Richburg, OC, Colorado State
    With the hand exchange, footwork, leverage, and quickness in the run game, Richburg has the potentially to be a big winner this week if he can stand out among the interior linemen in attendance. He’ll need to show he can win against bigger nose tackles on the inside and fit in multiple schemes, but his ability to finish plays and quickness in his blocking footwork could push him up to a Day Two center prospect.

    6. Kadeem Edwards, OG, Georgia Southern
    A pleasant surprise as a I watched him on film in preparation, Edwards is a powerful inside run blocker who initiates contact at a high level and displays great power and upper body strength in pass protection. His hand placement is an issue, and quicker inside rushers (like Aaron Donald, Stephen Shamar) could expose him a bit. I’ll be watching his hand placement and initial pad level in pass protection closely this week

    7. Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh
    If he were just a few inches taller, scouts wouldn’t have a concern with Donald being a Top 10 pick. However, his lack of ideal size likely limits him in the NFL, unless he can prove it won’t this week. He has the talent level and college production to have a fantastic week, and if he can show that NFL-level offensive linemen can handle him consistently, I’ll have no qualms about making him a Top 20 pick.

    8. Shamar Stephen, DT, UConn
    I had heard a lot of Stephen once he was invited, and the flashes he showed on a poor Uconn defense this year earned the praise he received. With quick hands initially, his speed-to-power transfer upfield, and his plus bend and fluidity inside and out, Stephen could emerge as a Day Two pick with a good week here. I’ll be watching his ability to disengage in the run game and his read-reaction ability in team running plays.

    9. Pierre Desir, CB, Lindenwood
    A Shrine Game call-up, Desir didn’t get a chance to utilize his length and natural physical ability during practices because the corners were limited to no pressing. He’ll get plenty of one-on-one situations with physical receivers like Jared Abbrederis, which will be a battle to watch early in the week. An impressive week here, combined with a solid Shrine Week and intriguing potential displayed on film, Desir could vault up into the high Day Two area after the Senior Bowl and Combine.

    10. Jimmie Ward, SAF, Northern Illinois
    Ward has played both cornerback and safety in his Northern Illinois career, and he’ll likely get work at both (particularly at nickel corner) this week. Ward is an active edge player, finishing tackles well and working man or zone coverage at a high level. I’ll be curious to see him remain balanced and quick to react from his safety spot, and how he can handle slot coverage against NFL-level receivers this week.

    http://www.optimumscouting.com/draf...-with-a-lot-to-prove-on-the-north-roster.html

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