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Senior Bowl Notes

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by JeffInDC, Jan 20, 2014.

  1. RS12

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    1. Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State
    For some, Carr is the top quarterback here. But after re-watching him on film, Carr ranks as the 3rd best quarterback in our eyes. Concerns about his footwork, placement when off his platform, and overall anticipation at an NFL level all are questions I’d like to have answered. He could certainly LEAVE as the best quarterback here, but he enters the game with more doubts than positives for a potential 1st rounder.

    2. Kevin Norwood, WR, Alabama
    Valued as the third most talented receiver on the Alabama roster, Norwood didn’t get to show an really impressive skill sets during his time at Alabama. A strong-handed receiver who finishes catches down the field and had success getting separation in the mid-field and in the redzone, Norwood could utilize that consistency this week. I’ll be looking for him to win consistently as a route runner and display more quickness and versatility than he was able to at Alabama.

    3. Billy Turner, OT, North Dakota State
    A true mauler for the North Dakota State rushing attack, Turner was able to show the natural strength, balance, and push upfield at the FCS level to not only earn an invite, but potentially enter with a Day Two grade. I’ll be very curious to see him work on the edge as a pass protector, and if he can consistently have success with his hand placement as a run blocker. If he can do both, and considering that the senior offensive tackle class is week, he could emerge as a Top 40 pick.

    4. Ja’Wuan James, OT, Tennessee
    James improved quite a bit in his senior season, deepening his initial bucket step off the snap and holding a square, wide base to utilize his length more effectively. He still tends to click his heels or cross over while mirroring edge rushers, but his redirect laterally remains a big time plus for evaluators. James rarely secures a dominant inside fit with his hands and doesn’t wow with strength right away, but he does an excellent job of running his feet and holding ideal base width to finish blocks. Always an impressive tools player with the foot speed, length and natural power you look for, he appears to be flexible throughout his frame and will be an enticing developmental left tackle prospect in the latter portion of the top 100 picks.

    5. Chris Smith, DE, Arkansas
    Only similar to Dee Ford in listed height and takeoff explosiveness, Chris Smith packs a ton of muscle onto his frame and remains one of the better athletes at his position. Able to sidestep blockers with lateral quickness, Smith’s athleticism helps him to keep clean of blocks but also plays to the detriment of his teammates. Beyond having quickness, Smith exchanges his hands with blockers, creates ideal separation at the point of attack and knows how to absorb contact through his powerful lower body. Physical tools aside, this isn’t an incredibly reliable run defender, and the frustrating aspect of his game is the lack of consistent activity. He’ll go a series or two without making a play and that’s concerning for NFL teams. Despite the added weight, Smith still struggles to convert speed to power and doesn’t have a go-to counter move once his initial momentum is stymied. Going back over notes and tape from the past season only raised questions and concerns about the day two grade I gave Chris Smith entering the season, so he’ll need to perform well to maintain his current position ranking.

    6. Will Sutton, DT, Arizona State
    Similar to the North’s Aaron Donald, Sutton’s size is a concern for teams, and he may be “capped” as a 2nd rounder because of his natural limitations. Combine that with a down senior season that appeared to be because of added weight gain and a lack of quickness initially and laterally throughout a game, Sutton seemed to take a step back his senior season. A Senior Bowl that reminds scouts of why he was a fringe 1st rounder entering the week is a must-do if Sutton wants to get back in teams’ good graces

    7. Daniel McCullers, DT, Tennessee
    Anytime you’re as large and as situationally dominant as Daniel McCullers, teams are going to be intrigued. But, for the past two seasons, he hasn’t done much to ease team’s motor, consistency, and motivation concerns he’s had. Team’s will be looking for him not to be too “sloppy” at the weigh-in, appear to hold his weight well enough, flash during the week in over-powering in one-on-one situations, and see if he can remain consistent throughout the entire week of practice.

    8. Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech
    I’ll start off with this: A strong week in Mobile could push Attaochu into the Top 10-15 picks of the draft. And I’ll follow with this: I think Attaochu is going to have an impressive week as an edge rusher when he gets that opportunity, and he won’t look half bad in short area coverage. He’s an ultra-talented rusher who was limited his junior and especially his senior season due to a scheme that didn’t fit his skill set. Look for him to really wow this week, and emerge as a legitimate target for the Raiders, Falcons, Bills, and Titans after the week is over.

    9. Adrian Hubbard, OLB, Alabama (RS JR)
    Extremely long and athletic, with an ideal defensive end body type, my issue with Adrian Hubbard is how soft his hands are at the point of attack. Because Hubbard tends to be slow and deliberate with his initial punch, he rarely wins hand positioning and exposes his midsection far too easily for opposing blockers. As a pass rusher, Hubbard’s long gait allows him to close distance quickly between he and opposing blockers and he also possesses the body control to redirect back inside through contact. Listed as a linebacker, Hubbard will need to also see snaps at defensive end so he can give teams a better impression of his physicality. With his movement skills and length, Hubbard has the potential to be a better NFL player than he was at Alabama.

    10. Keith McGill, CB, Utah
    Most NFL teams are looking to follow the mold of the Seahawks (and Jaguars, to a lesser extent) in terms of pushing size, length, and physicality atop their evaluation traits for cornerbacks. McGill certainly fits those criteria, and his film oozes with the upside that team’s will want to develop. A strong week, particularly in press, and not getting exposed vertically, could make him a solid Day Two pick.

    http://www.optimumscouting.com/draf...-with-a-lot-to-prove-on-the-south-roster.html
  2. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    Very intriguing guy.
  3. Future

    Future Intramural Legend

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    Donald has a lot more burst and athleticism though.
  4. xwalker

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    I agree, although Floyd was 6-3, 297.
  5. LatinMind

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    People bring up Geno Atkins, he was a 4th rounder. His height is a big reason why he slipped.
  6. LatinMind

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    Donald went up against one guard who is a pro prospect right now. And did nothing against Chris Watt
  7. RS12

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  8. Future

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    Fair, though you could say that about, what, three quarters of guys going into the draft?
  9. LatinMind

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    these sr bowls are going to be big for him. If he can play the same way against these top prospects them he will be a first round pick. But if he gets stonewalled like he did against Watt he will drop.

    NFL coaches can coach up players. Can develop them and make them better. They cant make a player taller or give him longer arms.
  10. Future

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    Disagre. You could tie their arms to two cars and have them drive opposite directions. Easily give them an inch or two ;)
  11. Leadbelly

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    I've read two different arm lengths on Donald - 31 3/4" and 32 3/4". Game of inches. :D In any case, the lower is good enough and the higher would be great for his size. Still wouldn't draft him at 16/17.

    Did they show the measuring on NFL Network?
  12. LatinMind

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    Im guessing they got these measurements for this bowl game. Because people are posting them all at once.
  13. JDSTAR

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    I beg to differ on this statement. Chris Watt is 66, right? Wasn't he the one blatantly holding Donald's jersey on the run? And I did notice Donald garnered a lot of double and even triple teams in the game. This was a small clip I found on YouTube, however, so I am missing a lot of the game.
  14. LatinMind

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    Im not talking about the youtube clip. I was forced to watch ND every weekend. My girl graduated from there. All game long these announcers were all on this guys potential. What he was supposed to be. But he didnt do anything all game.
  15. LatinMind

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    You dont think he's going to get doubled in the nfl? Thats what nfl teams do inside. So if a double team stopped him cold in college. what do you think is going to happen in the nfl? ND has one of the better OLs in college. A preview of what is ahead for Donald. He failed miserably that game.
  16. Leadbelly

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    Two that stood out to me from the Senior Bowl measuring day info...

    OLB-Telvin Smith, Florida St with 34 1/8" arms.
    DT-Deandre Coleman, California with 10 1/4" hands, 34" arms, 81 1/2" wingspan at 6'5"/315.

    On Smith, his arm length is up there with the OT giants like Seantrel Henderson at 34 1/4" and Morgan Moses at 34 3/4". Telvin is around 6' 2 3/4". Not a fan of his game outside of his coverage abilities. I'm interested to see what he runs.

    On Coleman, guy was frequently stuck playing NT in a 3-4. Freed up at the Senior Bowl, could really showcase him and put him somewhere in day 2.
  17. xwalker

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    It's surprising that he slipped to the 4th. He had elite agility, quickness and explosiveness measurables. He also had a better than average number of bench reps. His arm length was 32.
  18. tm1119

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    The crazy thing about Coleman is that he can move to go along with his giant size. He's probably never going to be a sack artist in the NFL, but he's certainly no tree stump in the middle either. I've been keeping my eye on him for a while. I find it hard to believe he actually goes in the 5th/6th like he's currently projected.
  19. AsthmaField

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    Floyd wasn't nearly as good a player in college as Donald was. Frankly, Floyd had pretty good measurable and athleticism for a big guy, but he didn't play anywhere close to as good as Donald did. Not even close.

    If Floyd had made a quarter of the plays in college that Donald has, he would have gone top 5.
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