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  1. rbr651

    rbr651 Active Member

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    Oklahoma Rep. Sally Kern on YouTube Clip: Homosexuality Bigger Threat Than Terrorism

    Sunday, March 16, 2008
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    OKLAHOMA CITY — A YouTube audio clip of a state lawmaker's screed against homosexuality, which she called a bigger threat than terrorism, has outraged gay activists and brought death threats rolling in.
    "The homosexual agenda is destroying this nation, OK, it's just a fact," Rep. Sally Kern said recently to a gathering of fellow Republicans outside the Capitol.
    "Studies show no society that has totally embraced homosexuality has lasted, you know, more than a few decades. So it's the death knell in this country.
    "I honestly think it's the biggest threat that our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam, which I think is a big threat," she said.
    The former school teacher has been a magnet for coast-to-coast condemnation, including a jab from comedian Ellen Degeneres, ever since someone posted her comments on the Internet last week. State police said they are investigating death threats against her.
    Back home in the Bible Belt, though, the response has been mixed. Kern has gotten support from her fellow Republicans.
    "I would submit to you that the vast majority of the folks in our caucus, particularly those who consider themselves conservative, stand with and support Sally," said state Rep. Randy Terrill.
    Democratic Gov. Brad Henry, however, said Kern's views are not representative of most Oklahomans. He said politicians should "think before you speak."
    "To have equated the gay community with terrorism ... and to have called us the biggest threat to America is to dehumanize gay people in the worst possible way," Denis Dison, spokesman for the Washington-based Gay & Lesbian Victory Fund, said Friday.
    That group's leaders fear remarks such as Kern's coming from an elected official could lead to violence against gays.
    Kern, who is finishing her second term, has tried unsuccessfully to pass bills to rid libraries' children's sections of books that have homosexual themes. She told the group that school children are being indoctrinated by gay activists.
    "We're not teaching facts and knowledge any more, folks," she said. "We're teaching indoctrination, OK, and they are going after our young children, as young as 2 years of age, to try to teach them a homosexual lifestyle is an acceptable lifestyle."
    In the same speech, she said gays are "infiltrating city councils" across the country.
    "It spreads, OK, and this stuff is deadly and it's spreading and it will destroy our young people," she said. "It will destroy this nation."
    Kern said she made these comments on about four different occasions to small groups of Republicans, and she thinks the recording was made at one of these meetings in January. Various recordings of it have generated more than a million hits on YouTube.
    Kern's office received more than 23,000 e-mails in less than a week, mostly condemning her views, and thousands more to her home computer, many of them "vulgar, vile and profane," she said.
    Kern said she has no regrets for her statements and denies she was gay-bashing. Her Christian faith teachers her to be loving to individuals, but not their lifestyle, she said.
    Some people, including Degeneres, did not take her remarks that way.
    "Hi, it's Ellen Degeneres, the gay one," the comedian said when she left a message in a call to Kern's office during her TV show this week.
    Degeneres said she wanted to talk to Kern about some "misinformation."
    "I'm trying to figure out which society has disappeared that I didn't know of," she said.
    Kern said she had no interest in talking to the entertainer. "That would be like throwing myself into the lion's den and I'm not going to do that," she said Thursday.
    Kern, the wife of a Baptist minister, said "everything is being played out of proportion."
    Most of Kern's colleagues have steered clear of commenting on her statements, but some say the state's image is taking a beating.
    "I think it is a shame those type of things tend to show that we are a people who seem not willing to look at the big picture of the world and recognize there are other people out there with other religions, other viewpoints. I think we are somewhat intolerant of that," said Rep. David Braddock, a Democrat.
    Last summer, more than two dozen Oklahoma House members refused complimentary copies of the Quran from an ethnic advisory council, offending Muslims. Republican Rex Duncan led the boycott, condemning Islam as a religion and saying most Oklahomans do not endorse "the idea of killing innocent women and children in the name of ideology."
    Like Kern, Duncan stood by his comments.
    Rabbi Russell Fox of Oklahoma City's Emanuel Synagogue said Oklahoma is becoming more exposed to different religions and cultures and some citizens and leaders "are having a hard time making an adjustment."
    Fox said he did not believe Oklahomans were necessarily less tolerant than people in other areas of the country, "but I think we have a political culture that plays upon and uses intolerance in some very unhealthy ways."
    "It's demagoguery, that's the old word for it," he said
  2. theebs

    theebs Believe!!!!

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    Shocking.

    Who would ever think a bible thumping conservative from oklahoma would think that way.

    The reality is nobody cares what she said, it just starts these crazy debates and then in the end people like her say they are targets and that they are hated and everyone is anti her agenda....

    I really dont think gay people around the country care because this is exactly what they know the majority of conservatives believe anyway particlularly in the south.

    It will make for some fun comedy though.
  3. Big Dakota

    Big Dakota New Member

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    These people are just as whacked out as any Islamic extremist.
  4. Bizwah

    Bizwah Well-Known Member

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    I agree that homosexuality is a sin.

    As with any sin, it destroys the individual.
  5. heavyg

    heavyg Active Member

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    As far as bible thumping conservative from Ok go. Well I dont know about other areas. But the area I live in is full of Bible thumping liberals (oxymoron I know). I am one of a handful of registered Republicans. We are the minority here.
  6. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Well Osama just want to blow me up :laugh2:
  7. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
  8. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    Next on Sally Kerns hit list...



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  9. Hoov

    Hoov Senior Member

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    :laugh2: :laugh2:
  10. Vintage

    Vintage The Cult of Jib

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    I always go back and forth on what I hate more: bible thumpers or left winged Socialists....

    Whenever I start thinking that the waaaaaaay left wing annoys me more, the bible thumpers do something to catapult them into the #1 spot.
  11. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    Mmmmm... pretty interesting. A woman I work with, (a lesbian) told me about this last week and was pretty rattled by it - which is surprising, because she's one of the most positive people I know.

    Kerns view, as it is with may, is that homosexuality is immoral behaviour. If a society wholly accepts immoral behaviour, that society will be flawed; and by comparing it to Islam and terrorism (note that she separated the two, from what I'd read), she implies something that has merit: no great nation or race can be defeated, until it has defeated itself (or some such saying - believe it's some quote that I can't remember at the moment).

    She has as much right to her beliefs as anyone else, but I think it should bring forth a better debate than 'stupid bible thumper', et al. Because in the end, what separates her from someone decrying her view, with nothing better than that?
  12. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    "Studies show no society that has totally embraced homosexuality has lasted, you know, more than a few decades.

    "Hi, it's Ellen Degeneres, the gay one," the comedian said when she left a message in a call to Kern's office during her TV show this week.
    Degeneres said she wanted to talk to Kern about some "misinformation."
    "I'm trying to figure out which society has disappeared that I didn't know of," she said



    Please inform me what society she is talking about that lasted only a few decades?
  13. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    I don't know, but given the common (mis?) conceptions about Ancient Greece and the orgies of the Roman Empire, my best guess is she's talking about that.

    Whether that's it or not, that's about what came to mind at first reading of her comment.
  14. ScipioCowboy

    ScipioCowboy More than meets the eye. Zone Supporter

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    I have no idea what she meant, either.

    Homosexuality and pedophilia were fairly common and accepted practices throughout the history of Ancient Rome and Greece.
  15. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    It's not just me that thought that?
    I wouldn't know if it was common place throughout; I figured that these things became more acceptable as time went on, toward the ends of their reigns...

    If it's so, does she have a point worth debating?
    I don't know that either, but I doubt she's simply dumb and came to her conclusions based on her perceptions of history.
  16. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    That's what I thought.

    She has NOTHING.

    If she has something that would prove her BS then she needs to present it before acting like it's proof.
  17. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    Is she wrong? Those civilizations did crumble and they were known for such acts, where do the two meet?
  18. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    I did not know they crumbed due to homosexuality. I guess those that scream revision of history look the other way with this one?

    Hey, without getting religious...maybe she was talking about Sodom and Gomorrah being destroyed.
  19. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    I'm sure that's what she is implying, (per sentence one), but I don't doubt she'll include S&G too.
  20. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    But is that a popular theory. Was it not other means that became the downfall of the roman/greek empires.

    I think many of us heard that they were open societies concerning sexual things but I don't recall ever hearing that it was the thing that caused the downfall.

    Could it be just a thing that they had their downfall for other reasons and they also just happened to be an sexual society?

    Just seems like political rhetoric coming from her along with other things best left unsaid.

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