Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by DallasDW00ds0n, Jan 6, 2013.
Should have never let that dude walk... bah!!
It's taken him almost five years to actually make an impact and last night was his second best game as a pro.
I rue losing Amendola, but not this guy.
Nobody misses like Dallas. Our Front Office shovels sand with a rake.
Would have been perfect timing since a Spencer departure seems nearing plus Butler doesnt make for a consistent water boy
We only keep developmental QBs who never arrive.
Bunch of over reactionary know nothins
Or even worse you all know he's a starter and not a very good one and are just using his nationally televised performance last night to further your Cowboy bashing agenda.
You caught me ! Busted!! my agenda as a fan for the Dallas Cowboys is to just bash and dont actually LIKE this team, AMIRITE??
Walden an OK 3-4 OLB. Not terrible. Not special.
Spencer is obviously a superior player.
However, if you look at it from a value perspective, Walden is paid $725/year -- vs $8.86m for Spencer. So Spencer got paid 10x more this year and assuming he gets $10m/year from someone next season he'll be getting roughly 13x more.
Between Walden and the Packers undrafted free agent OLB Desmond Moses, they got 7.5 sacks at a cost of $1m or so. I suspect the Packers are perfectly fine with that kind of performance at that price when they already have Raji and Matthews also pressuring on the front seven.
This kind of "value-based" strategy is something the Cowboys will have to consider when they contemplate resigning Spencer or not.
You can only have so many $10m/year guys on the team -- is Spencer one of those guys?
Good, then Butler should start coming around anytime now.
Truthfully, Walden is just an average (at best) 3-4 strong side OLB -- nothing more and he bounced around quite a bit before he caught on with the Packers.
You can't rue losing Walden.
Having said that, there is nothing wrong with having "OK" guys like Walden on a team at $725k as opposed to filling every spot with a $8-10m/year guy.
We really liked Walden and thus drafted him on potential.
Issue was he couldn't play special teams.
So he was a body we needed to keep on ice.
When they tried to sneak him onto the practice squad that failed and he left for KC who kept him very shortly.
He was through two other short stints before landing in GB and because they suffered injuries he got to start and produced an amazing 3 sack effort.
That has kept him going. But make no mistake, GB has been trying to replace him in the starting lineup continually.
He is not a better player than Victor Butler. Not a far worse one either.
If we want him we can go get him. He is an UFA this season.
Walden could be a cheap servicable option if the front office does let Spencer walk.
I think he is a big better than Butler because he is a bit more rugged and looks to slightly better against the run. Also, he had 2 interceptions this season.
He is an almost identical player to Victor Butler for right at the same cost.
Both guys about 6'2" and 250 pounds. Both guys averaging about 3 sacks per season when granted consistent playing time.
Neither guy is someone you start by choice. But both are solid options when injuries hit.
He also got far less pressure on a per snap basis than Butler.
Green Bay fans hate this guy and think he is a bum.
That's why GB drafted an OLB in the first round last year in Nick Perry.
I agree with majority of your post, but I think he's a little better than Butler. I'd only bring him in for depth, not to start.
Agreed the Packer are attempting to replace Walden.
I guess when I am going with this is almost a Sabermetrics view of a position. Packers got 22 sacks from the 4 OLBs in Matthews, Walden, Perry, and Moses at it cost them roughly $4.4m:
Nick Perry: 1,363,500
Packers OLB sacks: 22
Packers Total $4.4m for OLB position
Packers cost per sack: $200,000
Cowboys OLB sacks: 25.5
Cowboys Total $17.6m for OLB positon
Cowboys cost per sack: $1,270,000
So the Cowboys are spending (in salary) 6x as much as the Packers per sack by their OLBs. The question is why?
If the Cowboys resign Spencer for $10m/year a year the cost goes up even more.
Nothing wrong with spending a lot of on position, however, I wonder sometimes about the relational value of how some of these big contracts play out and suspect that a good measure of teams like the Packer's success is predicated on putting together a reasonable blend of salaries and looking for "value" players.
Again -- the application of Sabermetrics thinking in football fascinates me -- not sure if it can really work since baseball (as opposed to football) is such an individual game -- especially hitting, however, it can't hurt to try to apply some of those theories and see what happens.
So Sabermetrics would have you believe that when Clay Mathews wants $15 mil a yr they should let him walk.
The problem with the baseball math theories in football is great players require other teams to commit more resources to deal with their greatness (which don't show in the stats) and allow other players to get the #'s.
Well, the first step to solving a problem is admitting you have one. : Seriously, the guy has had two good games his entire career. One just happened to come in a playoff game, and now, we should have never gotten rid of him. PFF has him rated at something like -35, meaning he's way below average. Can't overreact to one game.
I hope nobody is arguing that Walden is at best, mediocre.
My question is this -- is Walden's production at $725,000/year worthwhile compared to Spencer's at $8,800,000 (likely ~$10,000,000/y if the resign him)?
It helps frame the conversation of deciding whether or not the Cowboys should break the bank on Spencer.
Sure. You're always trying to get value throughout the team. It's a tough balance. If Spencer walks, and they go cheap at SOLB, can they use that money to improve other areas, thus hopefully making the team better as a whole? That's what they have to decide.