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So Confused - Why Bernie over Livings?

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by rpatricc, Jul 25, 2013.

  1. rpatricc

    rpatricc Active Member

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    From watching tape of last year, Bernadeau was a train wreck. And Livings seemed to acquit himself just fine (pro football focus graded him top 11 I think at G). So why does everyone associated with the team say that Livings is as much on the roster bubble, if not more, than Bernie? Is it simply because Bernie can play C?

    Would love to see Smith-Livings-Frederick-Leary-Free OR Smith-Killer-Frederick-Leary-Free, with Livings the swing G and Costa the backup C.
  2. ScipioCowboy

    ScipioCowboy More than meets the eye. Zone Supporter

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    Livings and Leary play the same position, I believe.
  3. RoyTheHammer

    RoyTheHammer Well-Known Member

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    They had Leary at LG when Livings got injured, but im fairly sure he can play both positions. Same with Killer (why are we all calling him this now?).. i'd rather have Livings stay in the lineup and have KK/Leary start at RG myself if at all possible.
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  4. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    Why either?
  5. RoyTheHammer

    RoyTheHammer Well-Known Member

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    Cuz one played well last year and the other was kinda terrible?
  6. gimmesix

    gimmesix Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life

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    Livings is older and wore down as the season progressed. Bernadeau actually improved the second half of the season and was playing at a higher level.

    Injury might be the reason Livings' play slipped, but Dallas is probably wary that he's at the age where injuries happen more and skills erode.
  7. ScipioCowboy

    ScipioCowboy More than meets the eye. Zone Supporter

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    I agree. I'd rather have Livings as well. I was just giving the answer I got when I asked this same question a few weeks back.
  8. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    Broaddus has said that the Cowboys graded Bernadeau out higher.
  9. SilverStarCowboy

    SilverStarCowboy The Actualist

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    Because Bernadeau looked more athletic on film than Livings but that was before we signed them, Bern had a tough year, Living had another average year, looks like it will come down to who stays healthy.
  10. rpatricc

    rpatricc Active Member

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    Right. This is the part I completely do not understand. I have a pretty good eye for offensive line play, watched a bunch of Berny and Livings, and in my mind Berny was putrid and Livings was solid. And Pro Football Focus, which watches every snap, agrees. That's why I just dont understand the Cowboys' perspective.
  11. honyock

    honyock Well-Known Member

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    I had thought that Broaddus himself had Berny graded higher...never heard the part about him claiming the team had Bernadeau higher.
  12. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    I thought so too, but we don't know what their assignments are from play to play. Sometimes we might see a guy get beat and in reality the guy next to him was suppose to pick him up. I know that many think Cook did well but he really struggled in the run game and his problems with the snap timing with Romo's cadence caused a lot of problems with the other guys getting off the snap on time.
  13. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    No, he said the team did.
  14. LatinMind

    LatinMind iPhotoshop

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    PFF rankings are something of a joke IMO. Livings and Mack were both garbage if you ask me. Cook filled in aswell as can be expected. But the two guards were a lost cause.
  15. jobberone

    jobberone Orangutans make great guitarists Staff Member

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    If you watched film the better question IMO is why does Bernie play like an All-Pro one play then look like crap the next.
  16. Vanilla2

    Vanilla2 Well-Known Member

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    Livings won't make the team.
  17. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    You have to be very careful drawing conclusions about OG play basing anything on what's popularly said about last year's OGs in these parts.

    As far as I can tell, Livings issues are with his injury, and with the fact that he's a marginal starter with a player the team likes on a rookie contract behind him.

    Mack started hurt and played poorly early, but he stabilized later in the year. I've heard it said that BB said the team graded him higher overall than Livings last season, but I'd like to see that quote. I find it hard to believe without some context.
  18. TheSport78

    TheSport78 The Excellence of Execution

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    Both players belong on the scrap heap.

    When the day comes that Livings AND Bernadeau are no longer on the team...drinks are on me!
  19. Teague31

    Teague31 Defender of the Star

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    They might value Bern more than Livings given that he can play center in a pinch. Livings is strictly a guard, Of course with Costa and Killer, do you really need another guy that can pitch in at center?
  20. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    It depends on which games you watched. Both had some decent games and both had some terrible games.

    I can't remember which games where which at this point, but try watching the 1st game where Bernadeau played Center. He was reasonably good in that game.

    Bernadeau had injuries all year. I think it was his hip and knee early in the year and then his shoulder later.

    Livings was injured somewhere around mid-season. His play was not very good in the 2nd half of the season.

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