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Talib admits he smoked pot and Manningham drops

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  1. Goldenrichards83

    Goldenrichards83 Active Member

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    The Way We Hear It — draft edition
    Character concerns drop Talib, Manningham from multiple draft boards

    By Nolan Nawrocki
    April 8, 2008



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    Kansas CB Aqib Talib (left) and​


    Michigan WR Mario Manningham​
    Specifically, Talib admitted at the Combine to testing positive for marijuana three times while at the University of Kansas, according to several league sources. While teams appreciated Talib’s honesty, it bothered one team that Talib dismissed the first positive test because he said he had told Kansas head coach Mark Mangino that he was going to test positive.
    Manningham, unlike Talib, denied testing positive at any time throughout college when the question was posed at the Combine about his past marijuana use. He also worked out poorly at the Combine after having waited to sign an agent and showing up unprepared to the annual event.
    After hiring an agent, however, Manningham showed up in better physical condition at his pro day and ran considerably faster. He also distributed a letter to NFL team officials admitting that he "wasn't straightforward" during team interviews at the Combine, had failed two drug tests while at the University of Michigan and apologized for any confusion he caused as a result of being “nervous and scared.”
    “I don’t use marijuana anymore — and I have passed tests since,” Manningham wrote in the letter. “I know what is at stake for me, and my career. I am learning what it is going to take to be a professional. I am writing this letter because I just want a fair evaluation, and I want to be accountable for my actions. I am willing to be re-interviewed, re-tested, and to undergo any evaluation any team wants me to undergo.”
    The way we hear it, Manningham, despite handling the situation poorly at the Combine with little guidance, is viewed as less of a character risk than Talib, who has been removed from more draft boards than Manningham, based on conversations PFW has had with nine NFL teams.
    “There is no way I’d touch (Talib),” one team told PFW. “He’s gotten into a lot of trouble, and he still does not get it.”
    “He’s got a laundry list of issues,” another team executive said of Talib's off-the-field behavior. “He’s not a one-time offender. Give a guy like him money, and it never gets better. It only gets worse.”
    Talib was suspended for two games in 2006 for disciplinary reasons and has numerous non-drug-related issues that concern teams, although he has told teams that he has changed his ways since his daughter was born on June 22, 2007.
    Manningham has drawn more sympathy than Talib from teams who have interviewed the pair.
    “(Manningham) does not have a strong support network; he just had his grandfather. He needs a lot of guidance," a club official told PFW. "He is embarrassed by his past. He’s really reserved and quiet. Lloyd Carr vouches for him, and they have not always seen eye to eye.”
    Manningham was also suspended for the Eastern Michigan game last season "due to Coach Carr's determination that I was lacking in focus," Manningham wrote in his letter.
    Both players could still wind up being drafted in the first round, because they possess great football playing instincts and elite athletic ability. However, they could easily slide a round because too many teams have removed them from draft consideration.
  2. BraveHeartFan

    BraveHeartFan We got a hat. I want a ring.

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    Interesting read. That is going to do nothing for Talib but cost him money since a lot of people like about 4-5 corners more than him anyway.
  3. Gaede

    Gaede Well-Known Member

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    I wonder how far Manningham has dropped, post-Combine? I wouldn't be upset at all if we drafted him--it's clear he can play football.
  4. Woods

    Woods Active Member

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    I prefer Cason in any case to Talib.

    But with Talib being a 3 time offender (or at least caught 3 times) in college, it's definitely going to hurt him, IMO.
  5. Tobal

    Tobal Well-Known Member

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    Damn, that makes it even more likely we aren't going to get one of the top CB's...

    That's a damaging report if true,,,
  6. Yeagermeister

    Yeagermeister Active Member

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    Let Talib drop.....to us :D
  7. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    Being a three time offender, I would have to take Talib off the board. That sounds like Chris Henry coming out of WVU. A shame ... I really liked him.
  8. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    Oh noes he smaked some pot , hes a bad bad man.

    this does make him a risk of being suspended.
  9. Tobal

    Tobal Well-Known Member

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    The part that bother me is the "he doesn't get it" part.
  10. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    replace bad bad man with "stupid stupid man".
  11. Yeagermeister

    Yeagermeister Active Member

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    I don't think so. It would be treated as his first offense and get put in the substance abuse program.....I believe.
  12. Goldenrichards83

    Goldenrichards83 Active Member

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    I think this really hurt us if and fact we were gonna take a corner in the 1st because it pushes everyone up. Cason now may not be there at 22 or even 28. Flowers should still be there but who knows now. I wouldn't touch Talib period now.
  13. Chief

    Chief "Friggin Joke Monkey"

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    Those are some pretty damning comments from NFL executives.

    It will be interesting to see how far these guys fall.

    Is it just me, or does there seem to be more potential problem guys in this draft than usual?

    It's a bad time to have a rep like that ... coming off the Vick, Pacman, Henry stuff and with Sheriff Goodell and his posse riding herd.
  14. Tobal

    Tobal Well-Known Member

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    it big time hurts us, any time a player of value at your need gets taken off a board and pushed down on yours teams will get itchy and start a CB run.... Then instead of havng a guy at the right value as pertaining to our draft spot we have to either reach, take the BPA or trade down....

    Reguardless of what happens we don't get as strong a CB as we would have, but lets see how true all this is first.
  15. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed Zone Supporter

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    i'm right there with you. so he smoked pot 3 times. 3 whole times, or did he not inhale?

    don't we all have "bad boy" years? how many people here want their college life brought back up and thrown in their face?

    if he falls cause he smoked pot 3 whole times, i hope he falls to us. now if it's him over cason, i know how passionate hos is over cason, i just see talib rated higher but that's just online ratings.

    non-issue to me. but then again i don't understand why best buy has to advertise their employes are drug-tested. do i really give a flip what some barely over minimum wage person did last night and how badly it messed up cd's being put on the shelves.
  16. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    All the WR's seem to be head cases this year.
  17. Hostile

    Hostile Peace Zone Supporter

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    Cason is better anyway. The guy is entirely about great character off the field and great play on it.

    :grin:
  18. theebs

    theebs Believe!!!!

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    Shocking.

    Seeing that they all emulate the nfl players from pee wee on up. We are at the point that wr's have been the nuts in the nfl the past 10 or 12 years, the way the linebackers used to be.

    Now the kids who watched the out of control nfl wr for 10 years are ready to join the nfl and they are.....you guessed it....prima donna headcases.

    Shocking.

    Next thing you know the nba will be full of me first I want to be a celebrity players.....wait ......
  19. BraveHeartFan

    BraveHeartFan We got a hat. I want a ring.

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    I am not so worried about the pot smoking but that article made it seem like he had issues other than that, which are what people are concerned about.

    Either way if he falls into our lap in say, the second round, I think that's a steal.
  20. Tobal

    Tobal Well-Known Member

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    Hos, my fear is someone is going to get scared and take Cason before us, damn I wish I knew what NFL GM's really thought about these players!!!

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