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Texas Longhorns and who will be the next coach

Discussion in 'Sports Zone' started by BrAinPaiNt, Sep 23, 2013.

  1. Aggie87

    Aggie87 Member

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    Coach Dana X. Bible was at Texas A&M from 1917 through 1928 (minus the year he took off to be a pilot in WWI), then coached at Nebraska, before coming to Texas. He won a Nat'l Championship at A&M in 1919, going undefeated and also not allowing his opponents to score a single point. He also won the SWC three times at Texas, so he was pretty successful at both schools.

    As far as the last 30-40 years of football at A&M being the most successful, I'd probably agree. One of the main reasons for that is that in 1965 they finally changed their policies and made Corps of Cadets membership voluntary (as well as allowing women), and at the same time became officially an integrated school. These changes affected the makeup of the football program, which suddenly had actual athletes that didn't have to be in the Corps. Obviously that changed the caliber of athlete, in general, that was went to A&M (with obvious prior exceptions like John David Crow, Jack Pardee, Gene Stallings, etc), and the program became more successful overall. You almost have to treat them as two distincts periods for A&M, IMO.

    For example, A&M and Texas have played 118 times in their history. The record is 37 wins (A&M), 76 wins (Texas), and 5 ties. Distinctly in Texas' favor.

    But if you just look at the record from about 1975 as A&M really started becoming competitive for the above reasons, it's quite a different picture. In that time-frame they've played 37 games - A&M has won 19 games, Texas has won 18.
  2. jcollins28

    jcollins28 Active Member

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    I hear Lane Kiffin maybe available...
  3. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    DFWJC,

    You may be right in what you say here. Only Texas might believe they can actually do something like this.


    On the money part, no. If Texas really wanted to pull out the big guns, Alabama could not match the money. There is a lot of talk that they would do whatever it took but the available funds are just not there for Alabama. If Texas really wanted to turn the screws, Bama could not not match it IMO.

    Now, if you wanted to make the point that Saban would not leave for the Money, that's a different question and that may be true, I don't know.

    To my knowledge, TAM has never had a successful coach leave for Texas but then, I don't know that Texas has ever been interested in a TAM coach. Even that one that went to Bama, not sure Texas was interested in him as they had DKR as HC already.
  4. bounce

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    TAM has never had a successful coach on the level of Saban. Sumlin was successful last year, sure - but that's not much of a track record in major competition. And like you said, Texas could outspend any University in the country three-fold, if they want to. And I feel sure that repairing the program is enough to make them want to open the checkbook.

    But, its going to be a sought after job. I know people (Aggie) won't want to admit it, but Texas is just about the premiere college coaching job in the country. Even when they're down, they're still a cash cow. It's essentially Duke basketball for football.

    If not Saban, I'd like for them to go back after Muschamp. Briles or Miles are other possibilities, or if they decide to go with an "up and comer" then someone like Kirby Smart could be an option. Again, I"m not saying Saban WILL leave, but I think Texas is the only thing that could pull him away from Alabama.
  5. CATCH17

    CATCH17 1st Round Pick

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    Lovie Smith?
  6. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Yeah, I mentioned Lovie Smith previously. He would be an interesting choice. I wonder if the Cowboys might end up losing their DC and DL coach if he were to get hired?
  7. Aggie87

    Aggie87 Member

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    I've never said it wasn't a premiere coaching job. I just don't believe it's enticing to Nick Saban. The only argument I see is that Texas would throw enough money at him to sway him. I don't think that's what drives Saban. Not at this point in his life...if ever. There's nothing else about the Texas job that he would necessarily desire, either, and that he doesn't already have in spades at Alabama.
  8. bounce

    bounce Active Member

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    I don't disagree. The only thing I could see is the 'challenge' of taking a third program to a BCS title. He could stay and rack them up in Bama, or take over a new program and solidify his position as the best ever...if he's not already there.
  9. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Yep. He'd be a good fit for UCLA. You should get on that.
  10. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Well, not saying your are wrong about Saban coming to Texas but I will say that you are dead wrong about the money. Saban has gone for the money at every turn.

    He was at LSU, won championships, had it made in the SEC and he left for the money. He was at Miami, the job he left LSU for. Perfect weather, unbelievably beautiful and he left for more Money to Alabama.

    Saban, in the past, has always been about the Money IMO.
  11. Aikbach

    Aikbach Well-Known Member

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    Hey, tech plugged on former qb kingsbury, UT should try chris simms.
  12. DallasCowpoke

    DallasCowpoke Fierce Allegiance

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    [IMG]
    L-R: The new University of Texas head football coach, is shown around by the new University of Texas Athletic Director.

    :D
  13. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Does someone have available where Texas was revenue-wsie before mack brown got there.
    I know the escalation was of historic proportions, but I not sure how it was relative to other national programs.

    I think, if I'm not mistaken, Texas and Ohio State's overall atheltic programs have been running 1-2 for awhile now.
    I bet someone here has that data.
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  14. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Forbes calculated the top revnue generators in Football only:
    Texas--133 mil
    Michigan--120
    Notre Dame--103
    LSU--102
    Georgia--99
    Alabama--95
    Florida--93
    etc
    They all have profit margins running from 50-60%

    So if any of them wanted to be stupid and pay a coach 10 mil a year, they could.
  15. bounce

    bounce Active Member

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    Any idea where the numbers go when you include the rest of the athletics? I think that's what always pushed Texas way apart.

    Edit -- nevermind, a quick search took me here. All stays pretty relative.

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/
  16. Aikbach

    Aikbach Well-Known Member

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    I think leach likes being on the coast. Really can't see his personality fitting the UT culture either.
  17. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Why would we bring in Simms? We already have the Major.
  18. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Yeah, Leach would never be HC at Texas. Terrible fit, I agree.
  19. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I don't believe these numbers are accurate. I don't believe this accounts for LHN.
  20. Aikbach

    Aikbach Well-Known Member

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    I
    was being facetious

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