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Texas Longhorns and who will be the next coach

Discussion in 'Sports Zone' started by BrAinPaiNt, Sep 23, 2013.

  1. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Actually, that's only the TV contract piece. The LHN is a revenue center which generates it's own profits on it's own, through TV spots etc. There is more to it then that but that's fine. I'm not trying to say that it makes Texas 700 Million annually. Besides, it's not really how much you take in. It's the GP you can make after expenses that really drive a Program.

    This takes me back. This is the same thing that was said about ESPN back in the day. Not saying that LHN will be anything like ESPN, ever, but I am saying that the characterization of "Failure of a Network" is wide of the mark at this point in time.

    As for people in Michigan, Washington etc., they don't have to want LHN for it to be successful. It can be a regional brand and still produce profits.

    I think that in the short term, you can probably pull down numbers that might be close to what Texas is seeing but I don't think that this trend will continue. I think the numbers will move closer to what we have seen in the recent past. The money has to come from somewhere so in order for both Programs to pull in 400K, it would seem logical to assume that more money would have to come into Texas and that's unlikely, IMO, any time soon. I think one will benefit at the expense of the other but I don't think both can be equally prosperous.

    A&M can not match what Texas or USC can offer long term. They just can't. They can try but the profit base is just not there. It's the same reason Alabama could not match either school if they really wanted to go after Saban. I believe that TAM would have every intention of trying to do so but I just don't see it.

    We will agree to disagree.

    From a money standpoint, a recruiting standpoint, a facilities standpoint, it absolutely is. If you are saying that the quality of life in College Station is better, I can't speak for that. The relationship a HC has with the University, I don't know about that. Before Sumlin, life was horrific on TAM HCs. We are still pretty new into the Sumlin era. Things could be different if he doesn't continue to win. Hard for me to judge that but for the rest, no question, Texas is better IMO.
  2. dart

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    both of Peyton Manning's centers on the Denver depth chart

    Manny Rammirez - TT - been in the league 7 years

    2013 - 7 is 2006

    HOUSTON 2003–2007 A Briles

    Steve Vallos - Wake Forest 2nd C

    when did he coach at Wake ????????
  3. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    I pretty much agree with you. A&M is a great job now. I've always said (even on this board going back years ago) that program was a sleeping giant, and now it's finally awake. They've got tons of money, are in a great recruiting area, play in the best conference, and with Texas (and Oklahoma) down they should absolutely clean up in recruits the next couple of years. I think that can be one of the better jobs in the country.

    Like you say, I just wonder if he wants to go NFL at some point. As high as these college salaries are getting, he might not.
  4. Aikbach

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    so Di you work or just attempt to troll all Baylor related posts? Denver has kd Walton and Phillip Blake at center
  5. Aikbach

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    Do you really spend all your time trolling every single Baylor related post and thread, strange obsession.

    JD Walton and Phillip Blake are Denver's centers.
    Edit: Blake is now with the cardinals but dart is still a troll
  6. dart

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  7. Aikbach

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    Unless truth is what you've named the sound of your own voice this is in doubt
  8. jterrell

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    Sumlin has had Case Keenum(who Briles left in place) and JF. Who all exactly has he won with again?
    Sumlin and the Cougars went 5-7 in the season Keenum was injured. He's had top 25 teams as a head coach 3 times in his life.
    2 with JF and once with a 6th year senior in Keenum.

    TAMU's 1 year donation was tremendous. But that isn't a standard number and won't last.
    The Ags have a lot going for them but sustaining it it a whole 'nother matter.

    Only an Aggie would think playing in the SEC West is some sort of lifelong draw for a coach.
    Truth is after LSU and Bama it is a nightmare for the other coaches.
    ARK is one coach 3 in 3 years. Ole Miss has been through coaches every couple seasons.
    Same with Auburn and Miss ST.

    Reality is the Aggies are VERY likely to fall back when JF leaves.
    Sumlin can cash in and head somewhere else for much easier road to success.

    But again, end of day it will likely be about the money. No big-time head coach is working for free.

    Will TAMU pay the man the market rate or not? We'll see.
    Because he's probably not staying for a hometown discount.
  9. jterrell

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    ROFL. You typed about zero accurate things.
    I'll leave you to your delusions.
  10. Aggie87

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    Regarding the money - A&M's money is from donations. I don't think the Aggies who donate will begin donating to UT. Of the $740M, "only" $270M went to the 12th Man Foundation, which is the A&M Athletics fundraising organization. That means that $470M was donated to A&M for other than athletics, which is quite significant. Furthermore, A&M's population on the main campus surpassed UT's main campus population this year for the first time (53.6K versus 52.0K). I don't see A&M's future support (and thereby donations) waning. back to their former Big12 levels. But yes, we can agree to disagree on that.

    From a money standpoint - A&M probably will equal UT from here on out.
    From a recruiting standpoint - A&M will probably at the very least equal UT from here on out, if not surpass them.
    From a facilities standpoint (including the entire football operation, not to mention the expansion/upgrade of Kyle Field) - A&M will at the very least equal UT.
    From a quality of life standpoint - Austin is better than College Station. You got me there - I love Austin for what it's worth.

    Both of the two previous head coaches at A&M (Franchione and Sherman) were pet picks from someone in the Board of Regents - neither were good hires, nor were they the right coach for A&M (Sherman was better, but not good enough). Sumlin appears to have been the right coach at the right time, and he knows it. He knows what he's got brewing there.
  11. dart

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    LOL - who would believe a thing you say now ?
  12. Aggie87

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    Sumlin coached Reggie McNeal when he was offensive coordinator at A&M in 2002. The same Reggie McNeal who came off the bench in his very first college game and upset #1 ranked Oklahoma. McNeal would have been an NFL qb had Franchione not tried to turn him into an option quarterback and eliminate his strengths.

    When RC Slocum was fired at the end of the 2002 season, Bob Stoops quickly snatched him up. By 2006 he was offensive coordinator. In 2007 he coached Sam Bradford to an 11-2 regular season. Bradford only ended up winning the Heisman later.

    And obviously he coached Keenum at Houston. Keenum is slated to start for the Houston Texans this Sunday.

    So I think he knows a little about QB's.

    Anyway, I think the A&M quarterback position will be fine for the foreseeable future. Kenny Hill is slated to be the starter after Manziel leaves, with Kyle Allen already committed to A&M, and should be Hill's eventual successor. Both of those guys have a TON of talent.

    PS - Arkansas wouldn't be on Coach 3 in 3 yrs if Petrino hadn't dipped his wick in the cookie jar. It's not because he couldn't lead the program. He was doing a great job. The next guy was an interim coach (who sucked), and everybody knew he sucked AND that he was temporary. Jury's out on Bielema so far, but I think he'll be there for a while.
  13. Aikbach

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    I didn't realize you suffered from reading comprehension issues, but it all makes very much sense now.
  14. Aikbach

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    A question you should ask yourself each and everytime before you hit reply.
  15. Aggie87

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    Oh, and Sumlin was also WR coach at Purdue from 1998-2000, while Drew Brees was QB there. Forgot that. I'm sure he was fairly involved with Brees' success as a passer too.

    PS - Guess who committed to A&M today? The #1 defensive player in Texas, and #7 overall in the nation. Myles Garrett.
  16. dart

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    oh wow a response with out any substance - Unusual ? nope
  17. jimmy40

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    I wish UT would pay Mike Sherman $5 million a year just to recruit offensive lineman.
  18. coogrfan

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    Sumlin's real talent lies in his undeniable knack for identifying bright young coaches. Keenum was coached up by Dana Holgersen, who when he left for the OC job at Okie State was succeeded by Kliff Kingsbury.
    Both are now HC's at AQ schools.
  19. ABQCOWBOY

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    I also don't think Aggie Donations can sustain doubling for long. As to the donations, don't kid yourself. There is a lot of money that traditionally went to Texas but has found it's way to TAM.

    That will not last after Johnny Football leaves IMO.
  20. jterrell

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    yawnnn... Sumlin had a lot of coaches at a coordinator. Mixed bag there.

    As to Keenum, he was Briles neighbor growing up. Might want to give him and not Sumlin credit for that kid.

    Sumlin hasn't proven a thing when he didn't have an NFL caliber QB. We'll see if he can next year unless of course he leaves to go to a school with an NFL caliber QB ready to roll. --like USC.

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