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Texas losing big to BYU?

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  1. jterrell

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    Stylistically UT can do anything it wants. ANYTHING. It just needs to decide than consistently recruit those players.
    Pro style is fine and they can recruit Pro Style. Speed defense is fine but recruit that and stop recruiting 300 pound athletes in an attempt to play speed ball.
    Stop recruiting based off Sophomore year Longhorns Camp performances.

    Stop changing tactics every 24 months. Especially since you recruit 24 months early.

    I'd run the pistol on offense with an emphasis on a dual threat QB and a running game.
    I'd get big nasty OL who love to maul people not just the guys who win an OL beauty contest by being 6'5" and 310 with fairly little bodyfat.

    On defense I'd play pressure defense and focus on hitting people. College teams score a gazillion points.
    At least pop them int he mouth for it in the process.

    But there is no doubt they can win at UT with Saban or Briles or Bielema or any number of coaches with an actual clue as to what they want to do and how to recruit for their systems.

    UT won a title with VY then decided they wanted Lienart type pocket passers... makes zero sense.
  2. MC KAos

    MC KAos Well-Known Member

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    If Mack "retires" after this season, I can guarantee you that UT will at least call Saban, whether he listens is a completely other story, but they'll try.
  3. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    Seems a little late in life for Snyder to be moving.

    But really, who are you talking about? Saban? Can't see why he'd leave where he is.
  4. jterrell

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    Saban is the rumor. As to why... well Saban always leaves after a bit.
    I think he gets bored after a while.
    That and he does like to get paid.
    UT can double his insane salary without blinking.
    They can do so without ever even touching the richest athletic department coffers in college athletics.
    Boosters would pay that with smiles on their faces.
    But for Saban there is no down side. If he stays Bama just gives him another pay raise.

    Saban is the ultimate target for everyone and that's where UT will start.
    If they can't get him they'll get another top 5 guy.

    Snyder wasn't the best when he was losing to a BCS school....
    He is a really good coach but he also uses a ton of JUCO talent to win at KSU.
  5. Aikbach

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    Respectfully I have to say if there were nothing superior about Baylor's program you wouldn't be fantasizing about having their coach...and if you've paid attention as of late their better recruiting, Baylor has bested UT in the national prominence of the 2014 recruitment class. I would also argue Baylor's AD Ian McCaw is a superior professional to his UT counterpart, he has managed to bring in top flight personnel that mesh with Baylor culture without sacrificing winning in any of the major sports, and he has managed to make them all want to stay at Baylor.

    The crux of your argument seems to be that a big brand plus lots of money equals get everything you want, well, if that were true UT wouldn't be in the fix they are now, they'd already have all the pieces in place (and as a Cowboys fan you ought to be doubly weary of that philosophy).

    UT can't buy their way to success, they've proven that with the present regime, they'll have to thoughtfully assemble the right guy with a vision, not just wishfully think they can buy success away from a rival program.

    Briles' salary is not a public record as he is employed by a private university, but you can bet it isn't terribly less than Mack Brown's, and cash alone is not a carrot enough to take a nearly 58 year old man out of a program that is just now on the cusp of soaring after brilliant recruiting, and starting over within the conference.

    If he stays the course Briles will likely surpass Grant Teaff as the most esteemed coach in Baylor's history, there's greater glory in winning Heismans and assembling teams that beat giant state programs at a small private school than in being an underachieving state giant that feels entitled to win just by virtue of its size and resources.

    I like UT, but UT is at the moment chasing Baylor, and until Mack Brown is thoughtfully replaced (and it won't be by Briles) then UT will remain in catchup mode.
  6. Aikbach

    Aikbach Well-Known Member

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    Now someone I can see coming to UT, and with a great impact is Jon Gruden.
  7. BoysFan4ever

    BoysFan4ever Well-Known Member

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    I like Baylor but I find it hard to think any coach except Sabin wouldn't be interested in the UT job if it were open.

    Money talks & UT would open the vault to get whatever guy they want.
  8. jimmy40

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    so Mack fires his DC and then says the schemes are good. What a clueless joke of a coach.
  9. jimmy40

    jimmy40 Well-Known Member

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    Mack ain't going anywhere till Deloss Dodds is gone.
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  10. ABQCOWBOY

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    I am not sure that anybody is "Fantasizing over Briles". Also, Baylor's 2014 recruiting class is not ranked higher then is Texas' incoming 2014 class. I don't know how you quantify better but if you look at the Rivals etc, it's not ranked better. Rivals currently has the 2014 Classes ranked as follows: Texas 8th, Baylor 20th. Currently 2015 would seem to be shaping up the same way with Texas having an early lead with 5 top 200 players to Baylor's 1. I'm not saying Briles is not good or that he wouldn't be able to recruit well at Texas but I don't think you can say that he has better class then does Mack Brown coming in currently. Now, we'll see what happens not that Diaz has been fired and replaced with Robinson but honestly, I think that probably helps Texas more then it hurts them. JMO
  11. ABQCOWBOY

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    I actually agree with Mack's statement. The problem, from what I've seen these past few years is not that the schemes or the players have not been there to make plays. It's that the tackling and over all physicality have been so atrocious that Texas has literally not been able to make tackles.
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  12. BoysFan4ever

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    How many games college & pro do we see poor tackling? It seems to be a lost art.
  13. ABQCOWBOY

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    Well, I agree with you there but at Texas, it's way beyond that. I think Robinson will help. He's not the guy I would wont, ideally, but he has a lot of experience and he does understand the personnel. I think he will help.
  14. BoysFan4ever

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    I saw only a small portion of the game but they obviously have huge defensive issues. I'm a UT outsider but I'm kind of thinking maybe Mack needs to go. They need some new blood.
  15. ABQCOWBOY

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    Personally, I don't think that Texas would go for Saban. They could get him if they wanted him, that I have doubt of but I just don't see it. I think Texas wants a coach that is going to be there for awhile and that is probably not Saban. He's not young any longer. He's 61 and I don't see him sticking around for 20 years. Besides, he could decide tomorrow that he wants to go to the NFL. Gruden is more realistic to me. He's younger and I doubt he would go back to the NFL if he found the right situation. He could be a fit.

    Charlie Strong is a guy who gets talked about a lot. He could be a guy that Texas might consider but it's hard to imagine Texas completely cutting Mack Brown out. He's too close to some major contributors for Texas. They love him and that almost makes it mandatory for Mack to stay involved with the Football program.

    What might make sense for Texas is to make Mack Head of Football Operations and put him in charge of boosters, fund raising and the Longhorn Network. That whole LHN is too much for a HC to deal with anyhow. Then, you could bring in a guy like Strong or Muschamp or whomever.
  16. joseephuss

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    There was little heart on that defense. You figure after getting beat time after time by the QB that a player or two would take it personally and decide to just go after the QB no matter what the defensive call was. I'm not talking about taking a late hit, but just say I'm going to stop this guy on this play and go after him.

    I don't see Gruden being a great fit anywhere. He really has little experience in recruiting and being away from coaching for 5 years is pretty significant.
  17. ABQCOWBOY

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    You could be right there. However, with Gruden, the most important thing you need to recruit is a QB and he can do that with his eyes closed. He would need help on the rest, I'm sure but his experience would go a long way towards drawing recruits I think. For him, it would depend on how he put that talent to work. If he came in and immediately won, he would have all the recruits he wanted I suspect but if not, your point would certainly become a huge weight around his neck.
  18. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    I can't comprehend the thinking that we could have Nick Saban, but we don't want him. Or that Mack has to stay involved because he's a good backslapper. You don't think winning would draw in more money than any amount of good-ol-boying?

    But maybe that kind of thinking is exactly why Mack has been there this long.
  19. jterrell

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    Actually since I am not a UT fan I am unbiased.
    I tend to have a better handle then most Baylor fans with regards to Briles because I played at Tech... and watched him Coach at Stephenville.

    UT is in a down period because coaching and recruiting are heinously overrated largely because Mack is in semi-retirement and UT is too proud to do what other big schools do; get in bed with recruiting services.

    UT will land a big name coach to be sure. And any big name coach will find it a VERY appealing job between the facilities, conference set up and ability to recruit.
    The thought Briles retires at Baylor is the fantasy.
  20. ABQCOWBOY

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    Nope, I don't. Texas could have had Saban well before Bama, had they wanted him. They could have him this season if they really wanted him. Texas could pay him untold amounts of money, money no three SEC schools could pay him combined if they really wanted to. They don't want Saban IMO. They want a younger guy who can provide stability for a long while. As for Mack, believe it. He is close personal friends with Texas' two largest boosters and both of those boosters have made it clear that they still want Mack involved. Believe it.
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