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The Last Two Super Bowl Champions

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Nation, Sep 16, 2013.

  1. Nation

    Nation Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    2012 Baltimore Ravens
    After a Big Week 1 win they lost a Week 2 game by 1 point on the road to an eventual non-playoff team.
    Lost a game by 30 to the Texans
    Lost at home to Charlie Batch
    Had a 3 game losing streak which culminated in a 17 point loss to the Broncos

    2011 New York Giants
    Lost by Two TDs to Rex Grossman
    Lost at home by 11 to a 7-9 Seahawks team
    Lost to Vince Young at home
    Lost by 25 points to the Saints
    Lost by 13 at home against Rex Grossman

    Stay away from the panic button, and get ready for the Rams on Sunday.
  2. Future

    Future Intramural Legend

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    The last two champions have shown that they can play well in December...

    They also both had defenses that could cause turnovers and healthy run games.
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  3. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    This is the "Cowboys" not the Ravens or Giants. They've won a combined 4 championships since 2000 while the Cowboys have only one playoff win.
  4. links18

    links18 Well-Known Member

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    Man these kinds of posts really get on my nerves. People want to look for patterns I guess......
  5. pugilist

    pugilist dwarecwby311

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    it's the Rams dude

    /sarcasm
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  6. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    They need to look at the Cowboys pattern not the pattern of other teams.
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  7. Nation

    Nation Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    The Cowboys have actually played well in December the past two seasons. They are second in the league in turnovers, and The Giants run game was atrocious in 2011.

    A win by one point or a loss by one point has a monumental impact on the standings and how fans perceive a team. It has a very minor impact on the predictability of how good a team truly is going forward.
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  8. dupree89

    dupree89 Well-Known Member

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    didnt arizona start 4-0 last season? and end up with 5 or 6 wins? There is nothing one can take out of studying a previous year's winners/losers. IMO.
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  9. Future

    Future Intramural Legend

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    Ok, The combination of Bradshaw and Jacobs ran for more than 1,200 yards and had 16 touchdowns, despite missing a combined 6 games. Id say thats pretty solid. Not to mention the fact that they combined for more than 2,000 the year before, meaning teams had to game plan it every week, even if the Gints weren't running the ball as well at the time.

    In 2011, the Cowboys went 1-4 in Dec/Jan, in 2012, 3-2 with the two losses coming in the last two weeks of the season, so I have no clue where this "played well in December" stuff comes from.
  10. BraveHeartFan

    BraveHeartFan We got a hat. I want a ring.

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    And?

    Who cares what anyone else did.

    The only thing that matters at this point is the Rams on Sunday.
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  11. Red Dragon

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    So, should Giants fans have given up after week 2 of the 2007 season? After all, their team had crumbled in previous seasons and postseasons.

    I'm surprised and disappointed that a person of your logic would fall for this sort of fallacy.
  12. CowboysPhan

    CowboysPhan Obsequious Cowboys Toadie

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    I think the point the op is making is not that the Cowboys are going to the Super Bowl just because those teams did. He's just saying that these early games don't necessarily paint a true picture of where a team will end up. And he's right. No need to panic because we lost this game. Still lots of time to turn it around, and at least the rest of the division isn't looking so hot right now, either.
  13. Red Dragon

    Red Dragon Well-Known Member

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    People always twist these threads to mean something they don't.

    For instance, the Giants won the Super Bowl with a 9-7 record. The lesson to learn from that is that this is a wide-open league and even teams that played poorly in the regular season can still play very well in the playoffs.

    But if you mention that fact here on CowboysZone, people suddenly go ballistic, thinking you're saying that the Cowboys are going to win the Super Bowl. No, it's just pointing out that this is a league in which even 9-7 teams are real contenders.
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  14. ScipioCowboy

    ScipioCowboy More than meets the eye. Zone Supporter

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    These are also teams whose play improved dramatically before they won the Super Bowl. They were playing at completely different level come playoff time than they were when they suffered those losses.

    The Cowboys have been playing .500 football for a very long time. If they're going to improve, they must stop putting themselves in situations where so many games can be decided by one drive in the last couple minutes. That's when one bad call against Mo can cost you everything. The Rams offer an excellent opportunity to start playing better. If the Cowboys could put this game away late in the third or early in the fourth and win by 10 points, I would consider it an improvement.
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  15. dupree89

    dupree89 Well-Known Member

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    this is all good, but like I said in another post....my greatest concern after a loss is hearing Garrett, Romo, Witten and just about every other player say......we gotta get better.

    I know its all cliche speak and its an answer everyone gives...but I wish one reporter would have the stones to ask this question as a follow up when someone says..."we gotta get better" :

    We have heard it for 3 seasons now that you gotta get better, exactly when and specifically where will we see this improvement of getting better?"
  16. EPL0c0

    EPL0c0 The Funcooker

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    some of these threads are starting to look like threads I read a year ago at this time "Oh no worries, we're good, everything's OK, don't panic"

    some of these threads are starting to look like threads I read a two years ago at this time "Oh no worries, we're good, everything's OK, don't panic"

    some of these threads are starting to look like threads I read a three years ago at this time "Oh no worries, we're good, everything's OK, don't panic"

    :)
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  17. BraveHeartFan

    BraveHeartFan We got a hat. I want a ring.

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    And what would that accomplish exactly? Do you think they're going to bait them into an argument? That's not only a stupid approach by the media but it would accomplish exactly zero. They give standard answers because that's what athletes give.

    If people start throwing fits and pointing fingers all the sudden those guys would be getting trashed for not knowing better and not keeping their mouths shut.
  18. iceman117

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    I'd say yes to that if they didn't give me the "here we go again" vibe week 1 and week 2.... Both games looked exactly like games from the last 2 years.

    I was very optimistic about this group before the season started but they have brought me back down to earth with the same old story. They still can't run the ball effectively. Maybe a switch to Joesph Randle will make a difference or at least light a fire un Murray's butt. Lance Dunbar is not the answer. Also, The defense plays solid all game until its a a high pressure situation. Couldn't stop the Giants when we needed to and if it weren't for a tipped pass that landed in Carrs hands we are sitting at 0-2 right now and yesterday Charles couldn't get anything going all game, the final drive when we know they're running the ball, we can't stop him and he has his 3 best run of the day. The penalties are still hurting us and we just find a way to lose. Yesterday it was a fumble by Dunbar that led to a FG instead of us putting points on the board and Dez dropping an easy catch he makes 99 times out of 100 that would have gained 40 yards or more. I'm not blaming Dez it's just the point that it is always something with this team. And if this "secret sauce" doesn't kick in soon we are staring down the barrell of being 7-6 again and in a position where they have to run the table against GB,PHI and WAS or get a lot of help from other teams to get in the playoffs. I'm not ready to give up on this team but things need to change and fast starting with beating the Rams and the Chargers on the road which won't be easy. If we don't win both of these games it's the same Cowboy mediocre teams they've been fielding the last 2 years or worse. You don't want to be sitting at 2-2 playing the Broncos in a couple weeks so we got to get this thing rolling. I hope they figure it out because the aggravation and stress of another 8-8 season is something a lot of us as cowboys fans were trying to avoid.

    And your original though is correct there has been a bunch of teams that got "hot" at the right time and won a championship with the odds stacked against them, but you got to get into the playoffs for that to happen.



    LETS GO COWBOYS
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  19. BraveHeartFan

    BraveHeartFan We got a hat. I want a ring.

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    I believe that was sort of his point. That those teams got better when it mattered the most.

    Obviously that would have to be an improvement for Dallas in that area. Everyone should be able to see that.

    But no one thought the Giants would be doing that in 2007 either. They didn't have any history of playing better when it mattered. They just did finally. Now they've done it twice. It happens. The NFL with FA makes it to where the teams are just not that far apart when it comes to winning and losing if you've got any talent on your team at all.

    Sure the Clevelands, Jags, Rams, etc of the world don't seem to ever get any better, at all, but teams who are middle of the pack or better are not terribly far off from the top and if they are able to get healthy and get going in the right direction at the right time then good things can happen.

    Will that happen with Dallas? I don't know. Hasn't to this point and so there is no reason to believe that it's absolutely going to because of that fact but again crap happens in the NFL. That's why they play all the games and not just the first few.
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  20. Everlastingxxx

    Everlastingxxx All Star

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    Cowboys win = compared to Super Bowl teams. Cowboys lose = compared to Super Bowl teams.

    lol
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