Discussion in 'Off-topic Zone' started by Phoenix, Feb 10, 2013.
Laurie Holden ‏@Laurie_Holden How great was Lennie James? Amazing...
Though it was a quick scene, I think Carl shot Morgan's wife when he was in the Cafe. It was brief, but it looked like her.
To me, this whole episode was a bit ridiculous. The only reason it exists, to me, is so that the group can stock up on guns for a big fight with the governor. While I thought it was a far more interesting episode than recently, it didn't have to be there.
I believe Morgan said he finally shot her after she bit his son, didn't he?
I can see your point Future.
I think the main purpose of the episode was to break-up the Prison vs Woodbury sequence. The reason could have been guns, food or just a Sunday drive but they needed or wanted something to break up the season.
And it gave them a chance to tie-up some loose ends with the Morgan character.
From here on in it will probably be the Prison vs Woodbury.
With every TV show, they have a season budget. Meaning if they are going to have a big expensive episode, they have to go low budget on other episodes. The shows that you see continue to keep their viewers tend to be shows that go very low budget in a single episode rather than a little low budget over several episodes. It was obvious this was a low budget episode if for no other reason than they excluded most of the cast. Beyond that, they mainly filmed in one location.
That said, I think the episode was less "filler" despite it's low budget. Many of us have wondered what happened to Morgan since the first season. If they are going to do a low budget show centered around one detail of the past story, this was a good one to select. I will be the first to admit that some of the episodes have been too slow and thorough to the point of wake-me-when-something-happens boredom sets in. This was not one of them for me.
We continue to see Carl grow up into a real role. We continue to see Michonne become more human and part of the group. Most importantly we got to see Rick's mind start to return which is vital not only to the group's success, but to maintain viewer interest. Groups need a leader and the lack of one during Rick's recent mental vacation has definitely had a negative impact on the show for me.
Did he actually say he shot her? Maybe I missed that.
Not specifically, but he was regretting having not shot her a long time ago. He mentioned she bit their son while his son tried to hug her...it kind of implied he shot her then, but too little too late. He called himself "weak" for not acting earlier and seemed to be in anguish over not doing so.
Yea, that's what I remember. I didn't think much of it until I though I saw her in the cafe...
Was there a zombie that looked like the wife in the cafe? I believe Morgan explicitly said he shot her, too late. It was the impetus for him deciding he needed to clean the world of zombies as a recompense for not putting down his wife when he had the chance.
I know he went kind of bat-nuts there, but it's actually a fairly sensible take for a guy stuck in a zombie apocalypse after his family has been killed. Laying the undead to rest, and burning the bodies.
It always bugs me at the prison that they don't go down the the cyclone fences and poke those walkers through the head. It's a kindness, you can bury them, effectively clear out the area in case you're exposed some day, and then not have all those rotting corpses walking around all the time just waiting for a car to drive through your defenses.
Someone else saw her in the cafe too apparently. I'll have to rewatch it because I don't remember it. This interview with Robert Kirkman answers some other questions too.
I went back and rewatched it...hard to tell exactly, but it really looks like Morgan's wife.
Glad to see Lennie James back. He is a very good actor, awesome performance last night.
I think I would have tied his but up and brought him and all those weapons back to the prison anyway. I think I probably would have at least talked to the backpacker too. They are going to war, they need as many armed people as possible now.
You would think though on the backpacker, that someone who has survived that long would have been better armed and have a vehicle. The dumb would have been wiped out already.
What I posted could be a spoiler so I won't post it.
Morgan has gone pretty much crazy at this point and blames himself for the death of his son and his being weak so he won't go and watch any more people he knows, or cares about, wind up dead.
The guy with the backpack is dead. At the end of the show, when they're heading back to the prison, they come back by where they saw him last (the cars where she got the car stuck in the mud) and see nothing but a bunch of guts and the back pack. They stopped and took the back pack.
Mostly yes. He blames himself for his sons death because he didn't kill his wife when he had the chance.
That's funny cause I thought exactly the same thing as well but Morgan told Rick that he did finally kill her when she attacked his son but it was too little too late on his part.
He said he finally killed her, yes. He told Rick that when she attacked his son all he saw was red, read everywhere, and he finally killed like he was supposed to have done all along. Only now it was too late and basically he believes it cost him his son.
I noticed above a couple of people mentioned the son embracing her. Unless people saw a different episode then I did Morgan never mentioned that he embraced her. He said that he (Morgan) came out of the cellar and found his son staring at his mother, who was right in front of him, with his gun drawn on her but the son simply couldn't shoot her. Morgan then said he called out her name, to try and get her attention, and instead Duane turned to look at him and when he did his wife attacked Duane.
Thats been bugging me as well. Why haven't they done, just like before, and brought them up to the fence, stabbed them in the head, and retaken the yard?
The only thing I can think of is from the episode prior to this one is that they're worried about the Gov. having men, snipers, out in the woods watching and they don't know if they can get out there and clean out the yard. That's the only explanation I can come up with for why they haven't already taken care of this problem already.
Poor backpack guy.
They should also think about setting some traps out there for the governor. Even do something with the walkers like they pulled with the truck.
So recently Merle called Glenn a "China man" to which Darryl replied "Korean", and Merle replied back "whatever".
...rewatching S1 in Black & White, about the 4th or 5th episode of the series, titled "Vatos" Darryl told Glenn, "You got a lot of b*lls for a China man", to which Glenn replied "Korean"....and...you got it, Darryl answered back, "whatever".
Okay, here's another turn of the card:
Early in S1, in Ep 2? When Rick meets Morgan, Rick is WHACKED upside the head by Morgan's SON, remember? With a shovel I think?
Now in this most recent episode, Carl SHOOTS Morgan! ...who is wearing body armor. Both Morgan and Rick were whacked pretty hard by the other's son!