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Things to remember about BP and the draft

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by Qwickdraw, Jan 7, 2006.

  1. Qwickdraw

    Qwickdraw Benched

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    Just some things to keep in mind about BP's tendencies in the draft, specifically the early rounds.

    -He doesn't like to take skill positions in the 1st round. Primarily WR.
    -He does like to choose defensive players early
    -He likes players who come from football families
    -He prefers players who showed up in big games against big schools.
    -He is very close with UVA headcoach Al Groh.
    -He doesn't like questionable character players.
    -He likes versatile players over specialists.
    -He prefers players from big schools.
    -He likes players with Special Teams experience. Thinks highly of VA Tech's ST program.
    -He prefers defensive guys with some 3-4 experience in college, if possible. (UVA)
    -He prefers leaders and team captains.
    -Won't select a player who is represented by the Postons.
    -Thinks smaller RBs are a big gamble. (Sproles, Griffin, etc.)

    Just some things to keep in mind when attempting to deduce who we may be eyeing in the upcoming draft.
    I think you can safely say we won't be drafting a WR in the first. I also think there is an excellent chance that we draft at least 1 defensive player from UVA based on his relationship with Groh and their 3-4 scheme. Ahmad Brooks?
  2. dallasfaniac

    dallasfaniac Active Member

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    I would love to grab Ahmad Brooks, but he may be gone by 18. :bang2:

    Can you imagine Brooks and Ware on blitz packages?

    btw - The only reasons I say he may not be available is because 1) Pretty obvious target by Parcells 2) Can play ILB or OLB equally well
  3. JPM

    JPM Well-Known Member

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    Has Brooks even declared?
    I think he will be there at 18. His injuries and weight issues this year will hurt his stock.
    That being said I would love a freak like that on our team.
  4. Cowboy from New York

    Cowboy from New York Well-Known Member

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    I heard on SIRIUS NFL radio that Brooks is in the same position that Larry Fitzgerald was in a few years ago, while only a sophmore in college he actually is 3 years removed from highschool so he will be eligible to enter this draft.
  5. Clove

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    I've been saying Brooks all along. Everything you can ask of a 3-4 LBR, who is a mean fast big aggressive motherfather.
  6. MrPhil

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    That is a great list Quick.......thanks! I will have to remember to come back to this list during the draft.
  7. Bizwah

    Bizwah Well-Known Member

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    Ahmad Brooks?

    Let me get this straight.....

    You want to choose a player at pick #18 that has:
    back problems
    knee problems
    weight problems
    attitude problems
    supposed "weed" problems
    and production problems (this year anyway).

    I wouldn't tough this guy on the first day.....not with a 10 foot pole.

    Maybe in rounds 5-7.
  8. dallasfaniac

    dallasfaniac Active Member

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    If I recall, you were down on Canty as well. Either that points to you ignoring players skill and stats because of injuries or you don't like UVA. :D
  9. Bizwah

    Bizwah Well-Known Member

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    I was down on Canty. I admit, I knew very little about 3-4 ends. And in looking at his production, nothing really jumped out as "special". I also hated the fact that he was injured and some were reporting that he would never recover fully from the eye injury.

    I don't dislike UVA. As a matter of fact, I like Parham....I think he is superior to Brooks.

    And for the record, have YOU seen Brooks' stats this season? He had a good Soph year, and I was high on him last year, but he had a poor year.

    Again....

    Bad knees
    Bad back
    Bad attitude
    overweight (reportedly up to 275 this season)
    reported drug problems

    Are you sure you're not only looking at the measurables and ignoring the problems.

    I'd puke if we took him in round 1.
  10. dallasfaniac

    dallasfaniac Active Member

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    I was just giving you guff. I know his numbers are down, that's what happens when you only play in 6 games because of injuries.
  11. Sitting Bull

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    Bizwah, I think your concerns about Brooks are valid. I was disappointed to learn of his 2003 misdemenor pot rap and the purported argument with Groh. But unless I'm missing something big, its unfair to label Brooks as a player with character issues and a drug problem. The back scares me, but that will be scrutinized by everyone at the combine. The fact is that right now, Brooks past production, combined with his freakish measurements, make him a first round lock despite his flaws. Parcells will leverage his relationship with Groh and we will have the best possible read on Brooks and his potential to fit on our D. We should be puking at the thought of how we will upgrade our Oline depth if we go defense with the first pick.
  12. C-BoysFaninMIA

    C-BoysFaninMIA RW Boom!

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    if he likes VT so much, he might try to get Jimmy Williams. i wouldn't be mad at that. he is verstile, comes from a big school, can play ST, can play corner and FS, is a defensive player, and shows up in big games. i would mind him with a star on his helmet.
  13. Qwickdraw

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    I'm not sure he would go FS with the first pick in the draft though.
  14. Rush 2112

    Rush 2112 New Member

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    Chris Canty........bold is pretty much all you needed to know.


    WORTH NOTING: Dominant player with tremendous size, strength and speed ... saw his senior season--and career--come to a premature end after suffering a knee injury in the fourth game in 2004 ...had surgery performed by Dr. James Andrews in Birmingham, Ala., shortly thereafter ...led ACC defensive linemen in tackling as a sophomore and junior was leading again as a senior when he was injured ... was the only lineman ranked in the top 20 in the conference in tackling in 2002 and 2003 ...two-time second-team All-ACC selection in 2002 and 2003, the first UVa defensive lineman to be a first- or second-team selection in consecutive seasons since Todd White was a second-teamer in 1995-96 ...made 104 tackles as a junior in 2003 to become only the second lineman in school history with at least 100 in a season ... Stuart Anderson made 106 in 1981 ... his 12 tackles for loss that season were the most by a UVa defensive lineman since 1998 ... finished his career with 243 tackles, fourth among linemen in UVa history ... competed during 2004 as a graduate student after receiving his degree in African-American studies in May 2004.

    CAREER HONORS: 2004--Received the Richmond Alumni Scholarship from the Virginia Athletics Foundation.

    2003--Second-team All-ACC ...lineman of the year in Virginia by the Richmond Touchdown Club ... first-team All-State by Virginia Sports Information Directors Association and by the Roanoke Times ... recipient of the Ned McDonald Award as UVa's most outstanding defensive player ... All-ACC Academic ... received the Richmond Alumni Scholarship from the Virginia Athletics Foundation.

    2002--Second-team All-ACC ... first-team All-ACC by CollegeFootballnews.com ... first-team All-State by Virginia Sports Information Directors Association ... second-team All-State by the Roanoke Times ... ECAC All-Star.

    CAREER HIGHLIGHTS: 2004-- Team captain who was having an All-American type of season until injuring his knee against Syracuse in the fourth game ...was leading ACC defensive linemen in tackling with an average of 7.5 tackles per game ...he was also third in the conference at the time with seven tackles for loss ...led the team in tackling in two of the four games he played ... also had at least one tackle for loss in each game ...team-leading nine tackles in the opener against Temple ... also caused a fumble in that contest ...four tackles, including two for loss, against North Carolina ... led the team in tackling for the second time in three games with 10 stops in a win over Akron ...had three tackles for loss, including his only sack of the season ...made seven tackles before getting injured in his final game against Syracuse.

    2003--Second-team All-ACC for the second year in a row ... had a big year ... started every game at defensive end and finished as the leading tackler among defensive linemen in the ACC with a career-best 104 tackles ... was 15th in the conference with an average of 8.0 tackles per game ...was the only lineman in the top 20 ... 104 tackles are second-most by a lineman in UVa history ...second on the team in sacks (4) and tackles for loss (12) ... 12 quarterback pressures were third ... four games of 10+ tackles and three others with nine ...made at least one TFL on 10 occasions ...had seven tackles in the opener against Duke, including a sack, and three quarterback pressures ...10 tackles on the road against South Carolina ... season-high three QB pressures vs. Western Michigan ...seven tackles, including two behind the line, in a road win over North Carolina ... career-high 13 tackles in overtime loss at Clemson ... eight tackles, including six solo stops, vs. #7 Florida State and nine the next week vs. Troy State ... 10 tackles against N.C. State and 11 against Maryland in tough road losses ... nine tackles in a big win over Virginia Tech in the final regular season game ...two of his tackles were made behind the line of scrimmage ... was in on nine tackles, including one for a loss, against Pittsburgh in the Continental Tire Bowl.

    2002--Impact player in his first year as a starter ... finished with 86 tackles and led ACC defensive linemen with an average of 7.8 tackles per game ... 16th in the conference in tackling, the only lineman in the top 25 ...reached double figures on three occasions to lead the team's linemen ... missed the first two games while recovering from a broken leg suffered during spring minicamp ... while he was out, UVa relinquished huge chunks of yardage to Colorado State and Florida State ...made his return against South Carolina and immediately made his presence felt ... entered the game for the first time with 3:04 left in the first quarter and the Gamecocks promptly went three-and-out ... on the next series, he got a sack, the first of his career ... finished with seven tackles in the upset win ... upon getting back to full strength, he made his first start of the season against Duke and had a season-high 12 stops, the most by a UVa defensive lineman during the season ...also had his second sack ...made two of his six tackles against Clemson behind the line of scrimmage ... nine stops in the comeback win over North Carolina ... helped spearhead a strong defensive effort that stymied a potent N.C. State offense ... was in on 11 tackles, his second-highest total of the season, as the Cavaliers held the Wolfpack to just 332 yards of total offense, 75 yards under their average ...turned several key plays in the upset of Maryland ... recovered a fumble deep in Maryland territory that set up a touchdown that gave UVa a 20-7 halftime lead ... 10 tackles in the regular season finale against Virginia Tech before leaving the game early in the second half due to an arm injury ... the injury kept him out of the bowl game vs. West Virginia.

    2001--Saw action in every game as a reserve defensive end ... made the first start of his career at defensive tackle when team opened in a 4-3 defense against Wake Forest ... also saw some special teams action ... finished the season with 23 tackles (19 solo, 4 assists) ... had one of the best tackle ratios on the team, making a tackle every 8.7 plays ... that was third among the team's defensive players ...also broke up two passes and had three quarterback hurries ...saw his playing time increase as the season progressed ... made his first career tackle against Richmond in the second game ... had four tackles, including three solo stops, in a big win at Clemson ... made a season-high five tackles, including four solos, vs. Florida State ... tied his season high two weeks later with five stops against Wake Forest ... also broke up a pass in that game ... had three quarterback hurries, tied for third-most during the season, in the upset win over Georgia Tech ... had four tackles against Virginia Tech ... made his lone tackle vs. Penn State in the backfield ... also broke up a pass in the game.

    2000--Red-shirted ... did not play in a game ... was in uniform against Richmond, North Carolina and N.C. State.

    HIGH SCHOOL: Lettered for two years at Charlotte Latin School ... played tight end and defensive end for head coach Larry McNulty ... did not play football his freshman and sophomore seasons ... named All-State at both tight end and defensive end ... earned All-Conference honors at tight end ... as a senior, recorded 20 receptions for 400 yards ... longest play of prep career was a 66-yard touchdown reception on a screen pass ... defensively, recorded 89 tackles, seven sacks as a senior ... for career, had 161 tackles, 12 sacks and two fumble recoveries ... also lettered for two seasons in basketball ... named All-Conference in basketball.

    PERSONAL: Christopher Lee Canty ... born 11-10-82 in Bronx, N.Y. ... son of Joseph and Shirley Canty ... has two older brothers, Sekou and Joseph ... father played basketball at Claflin College ... brother, Sekou, played college football and brother Joseph played college football and basketball ... received his undergraduate degree in African-American studies in May of 2004.

    Canty Defensively
    Year G Plys S A Tot. Avg. TFL QBS FR FC PBU Int QBP BlK
    2001 12 200 19 4 23 1.9 1-1 0 0 0 2 0 3 0
    2002 11 620 52 34 86 7.8 4-17 2-14 3 0 4 0 3 0
    2003 13 796 53 51 104 8.0 12-41 4-20 1 0 0 0 12 0
    2004 4 199 21 9 30 7.5 7-21 1-9 0 1 0 0 1 0
    Career 40 1815 145 98 243 6.1 24-80 7-43 4 1 6 0 19 0
  15. Dough Boy

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    I think you are displaying the after effects of some type of halusegen.

    You are the only person in the world that thinks, "Parham is superior to Brook". I mean the only person. What are you smoking?
  16. ghst187

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    the back, knee injuries and the character issues are huge concerns for Brooks. We already have a freakishly athletic, talented LB who has injury problems....Burnett. I don't think we can afford two. It'll totally depend on Groh's endorsement (or not) of Brooks to BP IMO.
    I like Hawk and Carpenter a lot in the first also.
    I don't think BP would be against a guy like Santonio Holmes in the first though. He might like him because he can also return kicks until he moves into the rotation at WR. Would also give us youth and depth at WR.
    I think BP would love Jimmy Williams also, hard not to, except Williams will force his way at CB just so he can boost his draft position and make more money. He'd do a lot better at FS. He got beaten quite a bit this year at CB. He's kind of a punk too.
    I don't think BP uses a first round pick on a FS. I think he'd prefer to take a FA FS, a vet back there playing centerfield. I think our first will be either a OL, LB, or DE/LB hybrid guy.
  17. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    I am thinking LB for the first pick. BP will look to get a vet for FS. But I do think that if one of the top O linemen fell too far, BP might grab him. 2nd rd for O lineman maybe as well. Of course it all depends on what we do in FA.
  18. joshjwp

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    Didn't Parcells draft Keyshawn Johnson 1st overall and also draft Terry Glenn in the first round? Or was that before he got to "shop for his own groceries" and were the picks of the GM's of those teams?
  19. Anguillidae

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    Parcells wasn’t with the Jets when they drafted Keyshawn in 1996. He was with the Patriots and they drafted Glenn (also in 1996), but it wasn’t Bills choice – he wanted a defensive lineman.
  20. Cogan

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    "Just some things to keep in mind about BP's tendencies in the draft, specifically the early rounds.

    -He doesn't like to take skill positions in the 1st round. Primarily WR.
    -He does like to choose defensive players early
    -He likes players who come from football families
    -He prefers players who showed up in big games against big schools.
    -He is very close with UVA headcoach Al Groh.
    -He doesn't like questionable character players.
    -He likes versatile players over specialists.
    -He prefers players from big schools.
    -He likes players with Special Teams experience. Thinks highly of VA Tech's ST program.
    -He prefers defensive guys with some 3-4 experience in college, if possible. (UVA)
    -He prefers leaders and team captains.
    -Won't select a player who is represented by the Postons.
    -Thinks smaller RBs are a big gamble. (Sproles, Griffin, etc.)"



    If you are looking for an OLB with all of the above, (except for 3-4 experience), I LOVE Bobby Carpenter. He will definately go in the first round by draft time. He is big, fast, instinctive, old-school, & versatile. 6-3, 255, 4.58 speed. He can cover TEs & RBs, fill the run, & led Ohio St. in sacks this year with 10, & that was with going out of the Michigan game on the first play with a broken ankle. His stats could be even higher.

    People keep talking about taking Carpenter in the second round, but that is a joke. There were several games I watched that he was the BEST LB on the field-even with A.J. Hawk playing beside him! Plus, with his versatility to put his hand down & rush the passer, I would love to hear his name called at #18! He is the perfect complement to DWare on the strong side.

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