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Tony Stewart hit fellow driver with his car while he was walking on the track

Discussion in 'Sports Zone' started by viman96, Aug 10, 2014.

  1. Rogah

    Rogah Well-Known Member

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    Deliberately revving your engine and fishtailing at the exact moment he was passing Ward sure goes a long way to proving it beyond any reasonable doubt.

    Stewart wanted to kick a little dirt in the kid's face and miscalculated - and it cost someone their life.

    NASCAR doesn't really have to do anything since it wasn't a NASCAR event. It's still not a comfortable situation they are in.
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  2. Wheeltax

    Wheeltax Well-Known Member

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    I absolutely do not believe that. I don't know where that started, but that is at best wild speculation from people who do not know how sprint cars work and do not know what Stewart was thinking or could see anyway.
  3. WPBCowboysFan

    WPBCowboysFan Well-Known Member

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    You've been listening to too much sports talk radio.
  4. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    Seen the WOO race Syracuse including Kinser, not only are the speeds ridiculous but the track isnt exactly smooth.
  5. Rogah

    Rogah Well-Known Member

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    Everyone saw and avoided the kid, except the best race car driver on the track who happened, by sheer coincidence, to hit the throttle and fishtail at the exact instant he was right next to him. Yeah that makes sense.

    The #45 car had no problem avoiding him. But the best race car driver on the track couldn't avoid him.

    Boy I'm glad I can see things as they are without being such an apologist.
  6. Wheeltax

    Wheeltax Well-Known Member

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    People who have decided to be willfully ignorant about it just can't be helped I guess. Nevermind what every other expert or driver has said about the incident (excepting Ward's family), nevermind the mechanics involved that have been explained ad nauseam, nevermind the laughable idea that a guy who makes millions of dollars racing professionally (and who, by the way, has been a huge safety advocate) would do something that stupid. No, Stewart definitely intentionally ran down the 20 year old kid he didn't even realize he'd wrecked.

    Baffling.
  7. WPBCowboysFan

    WPBCowboysFan Well-Known Member

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    Colin Cowherd, is that you?

    One can assume that either you have NOT watched the video, or what your eyes see has no bearing on what you want to believe.
  8. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    I'm ready for someone to come out and officially clear Stewart so we can move on from this story. Is it just me or is anyone else getting tired of this? I understand a human being died that alone will get a lot of attention. But this is getting borderline overkill.
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  9. WPBCowboysFan

    WPBCowboysFan Well-Known Member

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    Prob the authorities dont want to give the Ward family the impression they havent been taking the "investigation" seriously so they are taking some time to wrap it up.
  10. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    The problem is that you can't prove that the fishtailing of the rear of the car was deliberate. If you want that car to turn, you have to get on the fuel and make the rear tires create torque. If you don't do this, the car will simply slide on the track in what ever direction the car is moving. This is especially a problem under slower track conditions. It's really important to understand the difference between Outlaws (winged cars which is what Stewart was driving) and normal Sprint Cars. It's much more complicated then this but in general, the Wings create downforce in the cars which allow them to corner more effectively. In regular Sprint Cars, they don't have wings so they rely on a more sophisticated throttle system. In an Outlaw, you do it with Downforce running all out which means that basically, your ability to corner or turn is actually much better at higher rates of speed. When you are going slow, the wing doesn't really help you steer. You must steer by using the throttle to create wheel spin and using over steer and because the throttle system on an outlaw is basically set up for maximum thrust almost all the time. It's not unusual for an Outlaw driver to be full on the throttle for an entire race. What this means is that the range in throttle on an Outlaw is very limited. You are either going very light, which gives you very little steering control or you are on it. When you get on the gas, you have a lot of HP immediately transferring to the rear end of the car. Heck, most Outlaws don't even have Right Rear breaks. It's hard to stop these cars on dirt tracks.

    Honestly, I don't see any way you could ever look at it and say that you can prove intent one way or the other.
  11. Rogah

    Rogah Well-Known Member

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    I have watched the video multiple times. Have you? Ward is in virtually the exact same position when the #45 car drives safely by and he was when Stewart, the best driver on the track, revved his engine and fishtailed.
    The fact that you have to lie about what people are saying hurts your own argument more than it helps it. I don't see anyone saying Stewart deliberately "ran down" the 20 year old and I don't see anyone calling Stewart a murderer.

    It's just pretty obvious that Stewart was doing what he is known for doing: He was being a hothead trying to kick a little dirt in the kid's face - and it backfired tragically.

    He won't go to jail, but he'll pay a pretty big chunk of change in the inevitable wrongful death lawsuit. Once that happens, I look forward to the apologists in here telling us all how it was only an accident.
  12. WPBCowboysFan

    WPBCowboysFan Well-Known Member

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    Yes I have watched the video and it amazes me that anyone who has watched it could dogmatically make the statements that you have made.

    Stewart's being the best driver on that track is completely irrelevant.

    Assuming that he was "just being himself" as a hot head is nothing but mere speculation.

    Assuming that Stewart had the same visibility as the other drivers is mere speculation. Its certainly plausible that he did NOT have the same visibility because the #45 could have blocked some, most, or all of his view of the kid.

    Anyone who has watched that video and doesnt want to recognize that the kid was very close to Stewarts car and even looked as if he may have been trying to grab or reach in the car is in willful denial.

    The fact is neither I nor you know what either was thinking, or what either's intentions were. To make any statements suggesting that you know is not only meritless but silly.
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  13. Wheeltax

    Wheeltax Well-Known Member

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    If it was neither an accident nor deliberate, then what does that make it?

    I mean, here's the thing. I'm not a NASCAR fan. I have, however, driven on dirt (though in something far less powerful and easier to see out of/control than a sprint car), wearing a full face helmet, wearing a HANS device, on a track at night, and I think that maybe people who haven't are vastly overestimating the ability of a driver to see or react to someone all but jumping in front of their car, even at caution speed.

    If you disagree, that's fine, but I just can't see how that's an informed opinion at all. The only evidence I can possibly see to the contrary is that the car in front of Stewart missed Ward - barely. What if Stewart was looking somewhere else? Checking gauges? That is something you do under caution. Further, Stewart likely didn't even know he had wrecked Ward. They barely made contact - if at all, that's inconclusive - and the accident happened behind the 14.

    I won't discount entirely the possibility that Stewart could have avoided him if he wanted, but I just see that as about as entirely outside the realm of possibility as you can get without being outright impossible. Just don't see it.

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    Mark Tychoniewicz
    · August 10 at 12:30pm ·
    i have driven these cars,the right side board on the top wing will block out an entire car let alone a person standing there,i now work on the 45 car in the video and the driver said he just saw him at the last second and just missed him,Tony had even less time to react to the situation.people in the stands or watching this video have no idea how fast these thing happen and how limited our view is inside the car.it was a very bad turn of events that happened but we all know the dangers involved in the sport we love.


    And on and on. I don't mean to harp on you about it, I just want people to be informed - but I also won't sit here and be called an apologist for having an informed opinion about it by someone who doesn't. Sorry.
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  14. Wheeltax

    Wheeltax Well-Known Member

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    Anyway, that'll be my last post on the matter because now I'm just repeating stuff that's been said everywhere. Hopefully the investigation goes the way it should - there is supposedly video from the side of Stewart's car that shows Ward reaching for the wing on the racecar to grab it or beat on it. If that's true then it's a pretty clear-cut case. Sad situation for everyone involved either way.
  15. RS12

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  16. WPBCowboysFan

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  17. Risen Star

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  18. Bill Wooten

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    Agreed, though I have no idea how this is affecting Tony. Just the involvement in the incident is enough to cause a major emotional reaction. The accusations from the public are unbelievable.

    It is probably the smart move to stay out of the spotlight until the investigation is complete. My guess is sponsors and attorneys are driving that move.
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  19. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    You're probably right, Bill.
  20. WPBCowboysFan

    WPBCowboysFan Well-Known Member

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    Its all PR at this stage of the game

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