Two things Romo can learn from Orton

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  1. Zordon

    Zordon Well-Known Member

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    1. Did Orton have any issues managing the play clock? No he did not. I think that absolves Garrett and the supporting cast of blame for a multi-year problem here in Dallas, pre-snap confusion. They switched out the quarterbacks and the problem went away. Orton's cadence was strong, he was out of the huddle quickly, he communicated audibles clearly and effectively to the receivers and backs, he did not wait till the final seconds to point out the MIKE to the oline. Tony Romo is about to be 34 yrs old yet still has issues with all of this. We've blamed the coordinators, Garrett, supposedly "dumb" players like Marty B and Ogletree, but the issue has been Romo all along. I really hope he took notice while watching the game. His communication and command of the huddle still needs improvement after all of these years.

    2. I'll paypal $20 to anyone on here who can remember the last time Romo used a hard cadence to get the dline to jump offsides. Orton did it twice early in the game and the Eagles linemen were on their heels for the rest of the game because of it and can be used as partial reasoning why the less mobile Kyle Orton was sacked zero times in that game. For as smart as some claim Romo to be, I'm baffled why he never uses a hard count to get the defense to jump. Brady does it, Manning does it, Brees does it...what gives Tony?
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  2. XDez88BeastX

    XDez88BeastX Active Member

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    Agree 100% I was also paying attention to the play clock quite a bit noticing it never once even got to the 5 second mark. Nice catch on the hard count too, I didn't really think about that.
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  3. TonyS

    TonyS Well-Known Member

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    Great post and you are absolutely correct. It is amazing that NFL coaches cannot see what you did. Is Wade Wilson still working as QB Coach? You never see the guy anymore. Maybe I am out of the loop and we have someone else.
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  4. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    I think you're exaggerating a play clock issue with Romo.

    I also bet Romo typically has more freedom to make plays than was given to Orton.

    Recency bias. I get it.

    But you're way off base here.
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  5. fifaguy

    fifaguy Well-Known Member

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    Good stuff, Zordon. Is it possible that Garrett can also learn something from Orton?
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  6. Zordon

    Zordon Well-Known Member

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    Having more freedom is not a valid excuse IMO. Nobody has more freedom than Peyton Manning but he does not have similar issues.

    And like I said, if you want to prove me wrong on the second point, $20 is yours.
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  7. diehard2294

    diehard2294 America's Team

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    Trent Dilfer said John Kitna never played with a guy "smarter then Romo" He said he knows so much about this offense and where people need to be that sometimes mistakes are made because his teammates don't see the same things. I think his problem is he over thinks things at times. I also feel Garrett is the same way.

    It was refreshing as the OP stated to see these changes with Orton
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  8. hutch1254

    hutch1254 Well-Known Member

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    The thoughts of the OP heightened my own sense of urgency of wanting to get our next QB in here, learning and training for the future. I'm fine with Romo but we sure as hell need to get the future transition started now. Ignoring it would be deadly to the franchise overall. I cannot go through the gap between Aikman and Romo again at the QB position, I just can't tolerate it.
  9. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    I wish people would stop comparing Romo to the best (and smartest) quarterback to ever play the game.

    Romo is no Peyton Manning? NO WAY? News at 11!

    And again if Orton was not allowed the freedom to audible of course he gets the play call and goes out and snaps the ball. I sure wish he would have changed some of those 1 yard pass plays to Witten on 3rd and long. Romo was not throwing 1 yard passes on erd and long.

    As to your hard count nonsense. I'm assuming you think that the Eagles were the first team to jump offsides against the Cowboys all season? You'd be wrong.
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  10. davidyee

    davidyee Maple Leaf

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    Didn't Orton get a delay of game penalty and also burn one time out because he was getting close?

    With that said he was very decisive and efficient overall and it was refreshing to see the unit operate like that.
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  11. TwentyOne

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    Throu the years i never was sure were the problems in game calling, game management etc really lies. garrett for sure is a big problem but how much has romo to be credited with it.

    after the last weeks i am pretty sure romo is much more to blame then our OC or garrett. and like you posted the last game makes good evidence of it. even with a QB that hasnt started for 2 years our offense can be run much smoother-
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  12. GloryDaysRBack

    GloryDaysRBack Well-Known Member

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    Great post. I've been saying the same thing about Romos inability to even try to get opponents to jump off sides. It was refreshing and frustrating at the same time to see Orton do it w such sass.
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  13. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    Well the delay of game penalty was a joke.

    But we did burn a timeout. A timeout we certainly could have used.

    But don't tell the OP. He doesn't like facts getting in the way of his agenda.

    If only we had the best player of all time to ever play the QB position. Things just might be different then!
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  14. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    And whats even more hilarious is that people are making definitive claims about Romo and Orton based on a single game played at home against an awful defense.

    Does that sound smart to anyone?
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  15. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    #1 - Orton was probably given one play to run, hence the fast snaps. Although he did burn a time out.

    #2 - The eagles are not the first team to jump offsides against the Cowboys.

    Nitpicking is not a good trait. However, since Orton is so wise to the game, I wonder why he is not a starter?
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  16. Nav22

    Nav22 Well-Known Member

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    One thing Orton can learn from Romo: how to be one of the top QBs in the league for your entire playing career.
  17. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    But, Romo cannot "hard count" and Romo let's the clock run down to 5 seconds or less. Those are the traits of a losing QB. (i think that is what this thread is about)
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  18. unsportsmanlikeconduct

    unsportsmanlikeconduct Active Member

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    Romo typically lets the play clock run down to under 5 while changing the play intentionally. The theory being that the defense will not have time to adjust. I read that somewhere.
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  19. coult44

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    Not even a little off base. Tony has always struggled with getting the ball snapped way too late. He always runs the clock down to nothing before calling for the ball. It hurts more than it helps. It puts a rush on the play that doesn't need to be there, and gives the defense an instant advantage. In the pre season even JJ and JG said they were working on snapping the ball faster. They did for about three weeks. Until Tony started thinking too much and calling more audibles. He's just not smart enough to have as much freedom as he got. He more than proved that. He gets sacked or he has to do the Romo escapes way too much. Part of the reason why is because defenses key on his pathetic use of the play clock and snap counts. When there are no seconds left on the play clock guess what? The defense gets a running start to come right at him. That doesn't take genius to figure out, it's common sense.

    JJ and his trainee are the ones who started the Manning comparisons. We all know that was a horrible comparison, but our owner and GM made it...

    Orton played the game very well until the last offensive play. Could it have been better? Yes. Is he our answer? No!! But he proved he could manage the game as well if not better than a guy who stole 100+ million from the franchise..
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  20. johnson2

    johnson2 Active Member

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    anyone who has been around knows this but they still try to act like romo, one of the leagues best passers all 7 years of his career, doesnt know what he's doing

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