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Vela chats with KC Joyner who suggests the #Cowboys may be in a philosophical bind

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by WoodysGirl, May 28, 2013.

  1. DallasDW00ds0n

    DallasDW00ds0n Well-Known Member

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    There is no way this guy watched all 12,000 pass attempts by every QB last year to come up with that stat.

    Forcing a pass into coverage? Doesn't that happen on every attempt? How often do guys run routes uncovered in the nfl?
  2. Supercowboy1986

    Supercowboy1986 Well-Known Member

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    thats how i felt when i heard people giving "elimination game record"

    :lmao2:
  3. Clove

    Clove Shrinkage

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    I call BS on the consistently fails to provide adequate pass-protection. I watched every game closely, and there were plenty of times he had enough time to grow old back there. It's okay to criticize Tony.
  4. nake

    nake Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    It would be nice to know what constitutes a "bad decision".
  5. Nation

    Nation Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    It's what he is paid by ESPN to do for a living.
  6. Califan007

    Califan007 Well-Known Member

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    Wny not? Watch all 16 games each week isn't exactly an impossible task, especially if you have one or two people assisting you.


    Forcing a pass into coverage is different from attempting a pass when the WR is covered.
  7. EPL0c0

    EPL0c0 The Funcooker

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    I think it depends what is labeled as a "bad decision" When you're rolling out and trying to evade pass rushers that have rolled over your Oline...
  8. Nation

    Nation Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    1. Forcing a pass into coverage
    2. Staring at a receiver
    3. Throwing the ball despite being tackled
    4. Misreading a zone defense and not seeing a defender in the passing lane
  9. DallasDW00ds0n

    DallasDW00ds0n Well-Known Member

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    Dude its a dumb stat. Hope I didnt burst the bubble here.
  10. DallasDW00ds0n

    DallasDW00ds0n Well-Known Member

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    lol exactly.

    Whats Doug Free's "bad decision" percentage? and is it relative to Romo's?

    To seriously give out a "bad decision" stat you have to take into account the other 10 guys on the field not only what theyre doing, but how, and why they would be effecting Romo's decision making. Does the 31st rushing offense in the league have anything to do with Romo's bad decision percentage?

    Its absolutely absurd.
  11. Nav22

    Nav22 Well-Known Member

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    The problem with your reasoning here is that you're assuming that to point out this particular statistic is to blame Romo for the offense's problems, or even to blame Romo solely for the stat to begin with.

    EVERY individual stat in football is influenced by the 10 other guys that player plays with.
  12. DallasDW00ds0n

    DallasDW00ds0n Well-Known Member

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    Im pretty sure that was the point I was making and thats why I think the "bad decision percentage" was difficult to understand.
  13. Califan007

    Califan007 Well-Known Member

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    Your logic is unassailable, sir!
  14. Nation

    Nation Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    The author of the article was not trying to fry Tony Romo here or anything. A year ago he had a detailed article on how Romo is a Top 5 quarterback. and in ten years of tracking the metric showed that a 2 percent or lower BDR is above-average for a dink-and-dunk passer, while gunslinger quarterbacks can take pride in a BDR under 3 percent.
  15. khiladi

    khiladi Well-Known Member

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    They are dinking and dunking, because the downfield vertical threat is gone with defenses playing deep zone. Romo is being forced to dink and dunk. We don't threaten the defenses at all to second-guess, because of the lack of play-action and further, the OL doesn't hold up with these vertical routes.

    When Romo buys time with his feet, it gives WRs oppurtunity to break away and make gains. But Romo isn't superman.
  16. percyhoward

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    2011: Team INT % 2.1
    Robinson 2.5% (81 tgt, 2 int)
    everyone else 2.2% (464 tgt, 10 int)

    2012: Team INT % 2.9
    Ogletree/Beasley/Harris 7.6% (105 tgt, 8 int)
    everyone else 2.0% (551 tgt, 11 int)

    The bad decision was going into the season without a real 3rd WR.
  17. Nav22

    Nav22 Well-Known Member

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    While I understood the decision to let him walk, I really hated losing Laurent Robinson.
  18. DallasDW00ds0n

    DallasDW00ds0n Well-Known Member

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    Thank you kind sir.

    I was flexing my internet muscles!!
  19. jterrell

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    No it isn't.

    If the other 10 guys disappear in smoke you still have a decision to make if it's 1 versus 11.

    This metric is not a bad one by any means.

    He is grading decision making even if the best decision is a bad result on the play due to 10 other guys.

    Doesn't mean his scoring is without flaw but the metric itself isn't bad and your complaint doesn't really factor at all given the description of the metric.
  20. jterrell

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    Especially so when you consider we weren't prepared to run the ball either.

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