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Discussion in 'Artwork Zone' started by Catch-22, Nov 21, 2006.

  1. Catch-22

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  2. DBoys

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    I am so glad Kinison ripped this game. As you said the other one was crappy.

    Thanks for posting
  3. theebs

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    I am curious how these games are being ripped? Obviously they lose there hd quality when this is done. I highly doubt whoever is capturing these games is using component cables to keep the digital signal.

    I have an HD tivo and I have the game on there too, I am going to capture it tomorrow and see if there is a noticeable difference between the game on standard tv, Which I already captured.

    I should download one of these and check it out. At 2 gb it seems it cant be that much better, the standard games I capture are 7 gb after I take out the commercials and halftime!!

    Curious to see what these look like.
  4. DBoys

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    He prolly has a HR10-250 Tivo and he is downloading it to his computer and compressing with xvid. HD vs regular tv is huge. The 2gb is going to be better than your regular 7gb capture.
  5. cwbyfan72

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    Anyone have a code I can use? I downloaded a couple of things this week, and It won't let me register. Stupid 3 downloads a week rule(homer simpson voice)
  6. theebs

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    See I dont think so. I would imagine it will be very similar.

    If the person is capturing the game through an avid mojo, or something similar, like D-vhs he will be getting an almost 1:1 quality and that is HD still... That would be amazing.

    However I bet its rare that most people have an avid mojo.

    SO in the compression most of the quality I would imagine is lost. So Much like when I capture the HD tivo of the game tomorrow I would imagine it will be similar, better but similar.

    The thing is when I capture the HD game it will still be 7 gb after editing because I am capturing it the same way. I dont have an avid mojo yet to work in HD.

    It will be fun to see the differences! I am not even sure what an actual 3 hour HD recording would be file size wise, but it must be huge.
  7. chinch

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    FYI

    HDTV is 1920x1280 or 1280x720.

    thanks for the links, but 592 x 336 is beneath SDTV ;)

    if these were reencoded with Windows Media Encoder v9 they could be full 720p and only a little larger and alot clearer and real HD
  8. theebs

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    thats true, but getting the game from the tivo to the hard drive is where the loss of data will be.

    A true 1:1 capture would have to be done with an avid mojo or some pro breakout box and be captured in the right codec. Then the rendering could be done. Not much else accepts component inputs, and have never heard of anything that accepts hdmi. HD dvd burners for pc's are over 1000 bucks right now.

    I am just curious how they are capturing it.
  9. DBoys

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    He is using an HD DVR to rip the games. HD is going to be bigger than regular. Remember the HD games are 16x9. If you rip a DVD and rip something off of regular TV what is going to be better? The better quality you have to work with the better quality and compression your going to get.

    I can take a DVD and compress 8GB into a 1.5GB xvid rip and it will be better quality than normal TV.
  10. DBoys

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    592x336 is what he cropped it too not orignal source. HDTV is not locked in just two resolutions it depends on what your TV supports.
  11. theebs

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    See that is what I am asking. I have an HD tivo also. If he is not using components into a hd breakout box he is losing all that data in the stream. So essentially he is ripping just like a standard game.

    Like I said to, it is not going to be any bigger file size wise because the process is still the same.

    Curious to know how he captures from the tivo?

    So the actual hd file does not make a difference man because you are losing all the data in the process.

    The reason the rips your making look better than on a regular tv is because you reducing the size or aspet ratio, so the smaller that is the better the picture quality should be.
  12. DBoys

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    I don't follow you on the breakout box. Tivo has a big hacking community and they were able to hack the HR10-250 so people can pull the recordings straight from the hard drive by USB or Ethernet. I think it is a big mpg in which they simply edit the commercials etc then compresses using a codec.

    There is no loss in quality with this. There might be with the breakout box your talking about but not what I am referring too.

    Are you not able to access the recordings on your hard drive via USB? If not you may need to hack your Tivo to unlock that bad boy :)

    I have a HR20-700 and there is no hacking with it :(
  13. chinch

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    this is easily capped via OTA (over the air) HDTV Tuner since this is broadcast on unprotected "local" networks. i should get mine working again now that Romo is playing. you should also be able to fireware dump this off any motorola HD-DVR since it should not be 5C protected.

    it's nice people are providing these files, but unfortunately they're using bitrorrent which invites trouble and spyware. uploading to a USENET group would be more useful and especially if they transcoded to 720p not ultra low res 592x336.
  14. chinch

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    sorry, but what i posted is HDTV.... even though there are some variations 1440x1080, etc. it won't be below 1280x720.

    anything less is EDTV or SDTV and NOT HDTV sorry.
  15. theebs

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    ahh I see. If it is being captured as an mpg then there is a ton of loss. mpg is an output codec. Capturing that way causes a severe loss because of the way the data is written.

    Avid mojo or a pro breakout box would allow a true 1:1 capture through component cables and pro software like avids. Avid uses its own codec to capture the source the it is rendered to quicktime and would be authored as an mpg onto a disk.


    Hacking the tivo is a cool thing lots of people do that. Keeping an hd broadcast at an hd level through this process requires very good equipment and software.
  16. DBoys

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    Ok I understand what you mean now. I misunderstood.
  17. DBoys

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    I have a MPEG4 HD DVR and my recordings are the same as if I watched them. I don't have much experience beyond my own DVR so you would know more about it than me. I have never heard that the HD recordings are less quality than the normal braodcast.
  18. theebs

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    Where the loss comes in is with the capture. To make it 1:1 true capture, you would need an avid mojo or similar, need to use high cables like component to carry the digital signal and then be able to use a codec and software that can handle that. Then need a way to get it to disk....

    HD is large stuff man.

    I bet these are still very good, but they are being handled like standard def stuff in this application.
  19. chinch

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    HDTV recordings using a DTV or Cable HD-DVR or OTA capture card (for a PC) are bit for bit exact to the broadcast.

    there is no loss at all of the system is broadcasting MPEG-2 such as OTA or cable HDTV and most DTV areas still (some are using MPEG-4 now apparently and you'd have recently replaced your box and possibly dish itself)

    the "loss" is happening re-encoing from the original source 1920x1080 or 1280x720 down to 592x336 or whatever using a bad coded (divx).
  20. theebs

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    This has nothing to do with the actual dish or cable company.

    I am not talking about how the game is watched on your tv, I am speaking to keeping a 1:1 file from the tivo to the pc's hard drive. The way I am being told they are doing this is not a 1:1 and also capturing it as an mpeg is a real quality loss.

    You are confused, we are not talking about the actual broadcast of the game, but the process of getting that to the pc in the exact form, and the way it is being done is not. as far as the broadcast goes, I have a 5 lnb directv hd dish and a a hd tivo hdr20 700s.

    The way I will take the game and transfer it to my hard drive will be the same process as the standard def. So it loses quality.

    Now if you can explain to me how using the usb to run the file directly into the computer that remains the hd, that would be great. I dont see how it is done though. The production house that I am in every now and then does all hd work from there cameras to hard drives with components or digibeta decks.

    HDTV recordings using a DTV or Cable HD-DVR or OTA capture card (for a PC) are bit for bit exact to the broadcast.
    this is what I am saying, I dont see how this is possible? Maybe an over the air capture card, but my tivo to my computer capturing there will be loss. Or if you use a stand alone dvd recorder there will be tremendous loss.

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